From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!reality.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Your wish list for Ada 202X Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:06:18 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <7f1c01c5-3563-4b94-9831-152dbbf2ecdc@googlegroups.com> <206rutb9pqak$.11a3dufqvmrm4.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1395867979 12167 69.95.181.76 (26 Mar 2014 21:06:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:06:19 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:18992 Date: 2014-03-26T16:06:18-05:00 List-Id: "Stoik" wrote in message news:ea073fca-c607-476c-8c0b-81e2da1686b1@googlegroups.com... ... > Although Ada has a lot of nice features and is still better constructed > than > some of the more popular languages, there is a lot that causes frustration > for the users. I will comment on it more later on. Commenting here is precisely the problem. Most of the user contacts that the ARG has is third-hand at best. (Combating that is one of the reasons I hang out here.) We really don't have the clear of an idea of what other Ada users want. I know I draw on my own experience far more than probably is healthy. Moreover, we've been asking for years for users to show us the problems that they cannot solve with Ada (now Ada 2012), so that we can look at possible solutions. That's one of the major purposes of the Ada-Comment mailing list. A few people do that, but it's not many. You don't have to be a language designer to do that; indeed, we'd rather you didn't try to invent language features to solve the problem, since those ideas often obscure the actual problem. Of course, we might determine that Ada 2012 already can solve the problem sensibly - or that we don't consider it important enough - but problems that we don't hear about have a near 100% chance of not being addressed. This is probably a good time to remind everyone that the Ada-Comment mailing list is open to everyone. It's for comments and discussion on the Ada language and it's Standard, not particular implementations of Ada. (Leave your gripes about AdaCore here, please. :-) You can find instructions about joining the list at http://www.adaic.org/resources/add_content/standards/articles/comment.html. Of course, that is not to say that discussion here isn't useful when one wants to know if they are alone with a concern or the like. But please don't assume that just because something is said here it is going to get back to the ARG and have an impact on future language standards. (Occassionally, someone has taken a discussion here back to Ada-Comment, but no one ought to assume that will happen. If you really care, do it yourself!) Randy Brukardt, ARG Editor.