From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: border1.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!backlog3.nntp.ams3.giganews.com!backlog3.nntp.ams.giganews.com!border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!reality.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Kickstarter for beginning work on a new open-source Compiler Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 17:51:12 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <5151491a-14c3-4138-bcb5-f29108aeefb9@googlegroups.com> <801079196416966973.679877laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <2031237242417012217.543618laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <98924b8b-19d2-4780-9fb9-a798b19d9c44@googlegroups.com> <2e025cd0-76c9-4c42-a635-b8e2876e5bff@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1395442273 3571 69.95.181.76 (21 Mar 2014 22:51:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2014 22:51:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Original-Bytes: 3140 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:185279 Date: 2014-03-21T17:51:12-05:00 List-Id: "Lucretia" wrote in message news:2e025cd0-76c9-4c42-a635-b8e2876e5bff@googlegroups.com... ... >Well that's a shame, could we possibly have: ... >2) Have any private documents made public so that we or others who want > to try to implement it, can do? That is, if there are any that are still > private. No. ASIS (unlike the Ada standard) is owned by ISO, and we can't give away their "property". In any case, the updated ASIS standard draft was effectively rejected by the ASIS implementors (by ignoring it and doing their own thing). Vendors have told us outright that they don't think there is any value to an ASIS standard and that they won't support one if it is made. As such, there is no point in putting any more effort into it. I suggest considering ASIS past Ada 95 as implementation-specific. Perhaps someday there will be agreement on a way forward, but it really only matters for people that want to port ASIS tools. At this point, that community appears to exist solely of J-P Rosen -- everybody else seems to be using GNAT ASIS only (or one of the Atego ASIS implementations only). So there's little point to a standard. If you disagree, then you need to form your own ASIS WG, put pressure on ASIS vendors to define a consistent set of extensions and ways to plug the many holes in the ASIS standard, and then it's likely that the energy to actually update the standard will materialize. The key here is the pressure on vendors from customers -- they have to see a benefit from having a standard -- they don't see that now. Randy.