From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-22 01:08:36 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed.stueberl.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!tar-meneldur.cbb-automation.DE!not-for-mail From: Dmitry A. Kazakov Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 10:22:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: tar-meneldur.cbb-automation.de (212.79.194.119) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: news.uni-berlin.de 1082621315 9328251 I 212.79.194.119 ([77047]) X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:7402 Date: 2004-04-22T10:22:12+02:00 List-Id: On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 07:15:44 +0400 (MSD), "Alexander E. Kopilovich" wrote: >Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > >> >> any programming language, Ada, C++, etc define, form, >> >> influence the notion of software. >> > >> >It does not define or form, but at most contribute something to those notion. >> >> I do not see any difference. > >Well, does one person's will define or form the politics of the country? >I suppose you'll agree that this happen sometimes, but very rarely; and that >most common case is that persons contribute more to that, some less. and >most of citizens of the country contribute very little to that. Is it correct >to say that such a person, who contribute very little to that, defines or >forms politics of the country? You cannot estimate it. Unpopularity in science and art tells little about influence. Do not mix "software pop-culture" with the notion of software. >> You are mixing popularity, influencing, contribution, all goes into >> one cauldron. > >It is quite common and respectable methodology - to mix differences in X, Y >and Z coordinates of two objects in some mystical formula for obtaning the >distance between them, isn't it? There is no warranty that the distance would have any physical sense. >> >And the same goes all the way with Ada. Just try to increase your speed and >> >run carelessly with the banner "I'm creating software!" in your hand - you'll >> >immediatiately meet various obstacles and annoyances, which you'll never meet >> >in C and you'll never meet major part of them in C++. >> >> You will, just at some later stage of development. > >This is very important - at some later stage. It may be very bad for the >project schedule and even for the released product, but still it is perceived >as a good thing by many programmers. But notion of software deals with all stages of its production and use, I hope. >And they have their reasons - it may be >simply intolerable to sit in the dark or desperately fighting with surrounding >hostile obstacles for too long; there is a need to move somewhere for taking >a breath. Managers could invite a strolling circus to entertain frustrated programmers! (:-)) >Not mentioning that "later" may never happen - either for the whole >project or for this particular individual. Ah, that is the notion of software Ada defies. I see. >> A recent idea is to replace its simple >> sensor by a computer controlled system which will detect crashes >> before they happen. In the effect air bags will be inflated by >> software. There are also other interesting innovations: brake-by-wire, >> stir-by-wire, which names need not to be explained. Enjoy! > >Well, it isn't simple to estimate the balance of probable consequences of that >things, including a redistribution of negative consequences between guilty and >innocent parties. No, it is absolute clear. Customer (you) pays for all. >By the way, I think that a free and open-source emulator of a generic car, >which, in particular, includes all those devices, would be very good thing. Come on. All specifications and all protocols are strict secret. The system is absolutely unprotected. If you know the protocol and can connect to a car field bus (the devices are free to buy), then you can do everything with it. Starting from resetting your car mileage, ending with taking control over the brake pedal. In a close future you will need no device to do that. A cell phone could be sufficient to break into. >And for those who seek so-called "killer application", I'd like to say that >within this application Ada can really shine. Utopia -- Regards, Dmitry Kazakov www.dmitry-kazakov.de