From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-04-08 11:34:01 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsrout1.ntli.net!news.ntli.net!newspeer1-win.server.ntli.net!newsfe1-win.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: chris User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040208) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: No call for Ada (was Re: Announcing new scripting/prototyping language) References: <20040206174017.7E84F4C4114@lovelace.ada-france.org> <54759e7e.0402071124.322ea376@posting.google.com> <406EB6D2.8030801@noplace.com> <87d66pyw1g.fsf@insalien.org> <406EEC35.7040109@noplace.com> <874qs0zvy1.fsf@insalien.org> <40714C98.90601@noplace.com> <1073gv22t969q5a@corp.supernews.com> <40729B9D.30906@noplace.com> <1076000ef5oj06f@corp.supernews.com> <0emdncWNfbOyUendRVn-gg@gbronline.com> In-Reply-To: <0emdncWNfbOyUendRVn-gg@gbronline.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 19:36:02 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 81.107.63.68 X-Trace: newsfe1-win 1081449169 81.107.63.68 (Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:32:49 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 18:32:49 GMT Organization: NTL Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:6860 Date: 2004-04-08T19:36:02+01:00 List-Id: Wes Groleau wrote: > Pascal Obry wrote: > >> Now I agree that the Ada community is small, lot smaller than the >> Python, Perl >> or Java ones... So we just need to work harder :) And we have the luck >> to have >> Ada on our side with its great productivity ! > > Ah, but a language that is ten times more productive > still can't compete with one that has a hundred times > as many developers. I'd like to see unbiased studies that find that an Ada programmer is 10times more productive than a Java one. It just seems like it's peoples opinion, not a fact. It's also typical of all language supporters whatever the language. Usually they boil down to... "I am 10 times more productive in Ada than in Java because when I program in Java I think in Ada" "I am 10 times more productive in C++ than in Ada because C++ has curly braces which I can type more easily on my keyboard" "I am 10 times more productive in Erlang than C++ because it has HOF and concurrency. Oh and I can 'Let It Fail(tm)'" - actually this one has some truth to it. The Erlang way is to "Let It Fail". Assuming it is true that an Ada programmer is 10 times more productive than a Java programmer, it can only be so assuming *equivalent* tools are available to do the job at hand and equivalent programming skill (no point in a comparison otherwise). If an Ada programmer can complete the original job in 1/10th the time with the right tools, great! If otoh they could do it in 1/10th the time if the tools existed but the tools aren't available and you have to spend time creating them what's the productivity gain? Still 1/10th? The productivity argument is useless all languages are on equal footing (you might be able to do such a comparison on .Net).