From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5cb36983754f64da X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-02-13 13:15:58 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newshosting.com!nx01.iad01.newshosting.com!border1.nntp.ash.giganews.com!border2.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!border1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.sjc.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 15:15:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 16:15:53 -0500 From: "Robert I. Eachus" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Imperialism (OT) (Was: No call for Ada) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.77.160 X-Trace: sv3-bJ2UtsGZH+zwIdBqioTUU3M0S5KE8ISms39KqxN0x6iI+HbjbQiSsiV//mp9tI4SnTc5UPUsv6WkDpC!+1e0JtJGDUMM98E4OCh2lgpxVUQD0wSwE02c2801lwuMnj/Msi71KzzXAKd33w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:5549 Date: 2004-02-13T16:15:53-05:00 List-Id: Ludovic Brenta wrote: > "Robert I. Eachus" writes: > >>Sure in Austria there is a consistent world view: Austrian beer is >>better than any other beer, including German. ;-) > > > Surely you haven't tasted Belgian beer. Next time you're in Brussels, > give me a call and I'll treat you to some :) You miss my point, I think there are good German and Austrian beers. But the one thing that the Austrians seem to agree on is that Austrian beers are better than German beers. (I am not an Austrian, I am an American, and quite willing to admit that most American beer is not good enough to feed to the pigs--or to people. ;-) > BTW, Jean Ichbiah is French and he led the origigal Green (then Ada) > design team. Quite a good ilustration of your point. I have to tell you a story. At an ARG meeting in Ada 83 days we were discussing an issue and there seemed to be no strong opinion either way. The RM was ambiguous, and we needed to have all compilers do it the same way, but right then the split was about even between the two interpretations. Jean Ichbiah said: "We are an ISO group and the French standard has equal standing with the English version." So he pulled out his copy of the French standard and read the offending paragraph. He then turned to Mike Woodger who did most of the translation work, and congratulated him for translating the ambiguity exactly. Out came the German, Danish, and a few other standards. The final upshot was to conclude that while some took one side and others the opposite there was no consistant bias. But as the discussion was going on with half a dozen languages being quoted, if not spoken around the table, John Goodenough, then the ARG chair turned to Jean Ichbiah and asked him to switch back to English (from French). Jean appologized, and offered to repeat what he had said in English. John Goodenough said that it wasn't necessary that he thought everyone present had followed what he was saying. (Nods from around the table.) But when Jean was speaking French, he spoke too rapidly for John to keep up in his notetaking. ;-) (For those who have never spoken to Jean, or never in French, his English has a pleasant "mid-Atlantic" accent. But his French is Parisian with the machine gun delivery they use there. And when Jean gets excited, the delivery speed goes up!) -- Robert I. Eachus "The war on terror is a different kind of war, waged capture by capture, cell by cell, and victory by victory. Our security is assured by our perseverance and by our sure belief in the success of liberty." -- George W. Bush