From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.swapon.de!newsfeed.fsmpi.rwth-aachen.de!reality.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Point a beginner in the right direction? Cheap bare-board to run with a RTOS for running ADA Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 17:00:28 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <8a3093bb-90b3-4081-9b0b-dfde5aa6b851@googlegroups.com> <993despcuk1d.1ifczvyo501px.dlg@40tude.net> <04244d3e-2a29-4980-b7a1-0dad4569caa2@googlegroups.com> <1czx18gollwt5$.n1wi7pmd0bqh$.dlg@40tude.net> <81c8e4a2-f0bb-4559-b2b7-0eba08ddca99@googlegroups.com> <51dc8a0f$0$6579$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> <51de4cda$0$6571$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1373580029 19333 69.95.181.76 (11 Jul 2013 22:00:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 22:00:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:16302 Date: 2013-07-11T17:00:28-05:00 List-Id: "Georg Bauhaus" wrote in message news:51de4cda$0$6571$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net... > On 11.07.13 00:21, Randy Brukardt wrote: > >> Sure, that's the 10%: Ada's type system still brings some benefits. IMHO, >> the package system, private types, exceptions and handling, and tasking >> with >> timeouts and the like are much more valuable. Keep in mind that McCormick >> is >> talking about tiny systems where the *real* advantages of Ada don't have >> much use. > > Customer: These Ada types help a lot! I want them. > Supplier: You are writing a tiny system. My preferred features > of Ada don't have much use there. > Customer: A Lot of payed embedded work is done making > such tiny systems. Are you sure? > Supplier: Go for another vendor who sells a compiler with Ada features > for those tiny systems under a name different from Ada. > Thank you. This last reply isn't accurate. The real reply would be something like: Supplier: We can put full Ada on such systems, but they always require customization. We can do the customization as part of an embedded support contract, but they're not cheap. Customer: Oh. I wanted something free. Supplier: Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!! (OK, I'd probably politely say, can't help you with that, thank them, hang up, then laugh hysterially -- or maybe cry.) Randy.