From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 Path: border1.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca3.giganews.com!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!goblin3!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.stack.nl!reality.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!loke.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jacob Sparre Andersen news" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Seeking for papers about tagged types vs access to subprograms Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:35:01 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <17ceq51ydy3s0.s94miqqzbg5w.dlg@40tude.net> <1vrhb7oc4qbob$.q02vuouyovp5$.dlg@40tude.net> <19lrzzbgm77v6.1dzpgqckptaj6.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: loke.gir.dk 1367958902 15019 69.95.181.76 (7 May 2013 20:35:02 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 20:35:02 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Original-Bytes: 3163 Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:181487 Date: 2013-05-07T15:35:01-05:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:19lrzzbgm77v6.1dzpgqckptaj6.dlg@40tude.net... ... > I thought about it, but this is far larger than one-man project and there > is too much things which nobody did before and nobody knows how to do. > Before doing this one should clearly understand it, and before > understanding it there should be a serious discussion about it. And before > that starts there should be a desire in the community to fix the language, > which is clearly absent. Ada 2012 became a patchwork under which one can > barely see its original ideas. I don't think there is any point in "fixing" Ada anymore than there is a point in "fixing" C++ or Java or (pick any other widely used language here). The language is "good enough" for most purposes, and people are going to have to see clear advantages to a new language before they would move. OTOH, that doesn't mean that a complete overhaul of Ada (but keeping most of its core principles intact) wouldn't be a good idea. The main thing is that the result most certainly would not be Ada, but rather would be a new language *inspired by* Ada. (That might even be a good thing, as it would allow Ada-haters to take an unbiased look without realizing Ada was involved.) If such a language had clear advantages over Ada 2012 (and few or no clear disadvanatges), it would be likely that many Ada users would make the switch. But obviously this is a tough road; the language has to be designed and a reference implementation built before it is likely that there would be many customers. Whether such a model could be managed is hard to say, especially in terms of funding. Randy.