From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,7fb761492573daee X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Ian S Nelson Subject: Re: No top schools use Ada Date: 1995/04/21 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 101370066 references: <9504200153.AA25668@GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU> organization: Sophomore, Math/Computer Science, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 1995-04-21T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Excerpts from mail: 19-Apr-95 Re: No top schools use Ada by Robert Dewar@GNAT.CS.NYU > if computer scientists and schools teaching computer science are happy to > make it clear to their students, and the prospective employers of their > students that computer science is quite different from software engineering > and that they should look elsewhere if their goal is to become or hire > competent programmers, that would be helpful! Most certainly... In fact I wished they told me that before I got here.. Actually, CMU is a pretty good SE school too, you just have to put up with the boring stuff (prog languages 15-312, compilers, OSes, etc..) before you can take the SE classes. I don't know hardly anyone who wishes to be a "computer scientist" they stress proofs and functional programming too much, anything useful is usually far too large to prove and functional programming just isn't fun. ("hmmm, let's use a lot of recursion to make this hard to read, but we came *prove it*") I don't know how many projects I've seen come out of the labs in LISP and the first thing done to them by the programmers is to convert it into C++, it's almost like it is part of the scientific design process. Anyways, why would MIT, CMU and Stanford say that they don't produce software engineers and lose all that money they make? -- Ian S. Nelson finger for PGP key Carnegie Mellon Computer Science/Math Home Page:http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/usr/in22/ian.html My opinions are not the school's, although they should be!