From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,73cb216d191f0fef X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Received: by 10.180.106.73 with SMTP id gs9mr1350538wib.2.1363401200727; Fri, 15 Mar 2013 19:33:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Path: g1ni68450wig.0!nntp.google.com!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!82.197.223.103.MISMATCH!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!85.12.40.130.MISMATCH!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!news.astraweb.com!border3.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!newsfeed10.multikabel.net!multikabel.net!newsfeed20.multikabel.net!news.mi.ras.ru!goblin1!goblin2!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.stack.nl!reality.xs3.de!news.jacob-sparre.dk!munin.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Is this expected behavior or not Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 16:01:27 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <8klywqh2pf$.1f949flc1xeia.dlg@40tude.net> <513f6e2f$0$6572$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> <513faaf7$0$6626$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> <51408e81$0$6577$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> <1xqmd3386hvns.1og1uql2cgnuf$.dlg@40tude.net> <5140b812$0$6575$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1363208492 11329 69.95.181.76 (13 Mar 2013 21:01:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 21:01:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Date: 2013-03-13T16:01:27-05:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:vxjicagtvzjg.1bcu3fzy711ux$.dlg@40tude.net... ... > What I said is that Ada subtype is a type-algebraic operation that > produces > a new type which properties are described in ARM. There are other type > algebraic operations which produce array, record types, tagged extension, > class-wide types, generic expansions/instantiations etc. They all are used > to construct new *types* from existing ones. A subtype does not create a new type, the quote you made from the RM says as much. QED :-) When talking about Ada, no one cares about abstract mis-definitions of the word "type" used by people who have no clue how to define a proper programming language. IMHO, Ada was the first language to get these things right (which I why I got professionally involved in Ada in the first place -- it was just a much better design than Pascal, C, or Modula, all of which I used before Ada). And ivory tower theories of programming language design are rarely worth the paper they're printed on -- it's not worth anyone's time to waste mental energy on that. You have many interesting ideas that would be far better served if you described them in Ada-terms. You're consistent refusal to do so means that they mostly get ignored -- and Ada (and programming in general) is all the poorer for it. Randy.