From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,afb4d45672b1e262 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!newsfeed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!statler.nntpserver.com!newsfeed.arcor.de!news.arcor.de!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: Making money on open source, if not by selling _support_, then how? Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.14.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <7NOdne-iYtWmIafZnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@megapath.net> <292bf$443bb4e4$45491254$20549@KNOLOGY.NET> <1oc8e78n8ow5e.1mhfktiyo0wur$.dlg@40tude.net> <1144841001.8883.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> <443d348c$0$11063$9b4e6d93@newsread4.arcor-online.net> <1144878978.9392.89.camel@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 11:17:58 +0200 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: 13 Apr 2006 11:17:58 MEST NNTP-Posting-Host: 02012c13.newsread4.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=bfe3Ck29OkWW4R5Sih0g1S:ejgIfPPldTjW\KbG]kaMX]kI_X=5KeaVoLJ8VdlhG5V[6LHn;2LCV^7enW;^6ZC`TIXm65S@:3>_ X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:3811 Date: 2006-04-13T11:17:58+02:00 List-Id: On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:56:19 +0200, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On Wed, 2006-04-12 at 21:37 +0200, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > >>> (a) work needs to be done, >>> (b) there exist paying customers. >>> >>> Why should, for any i, P(i) be fighting to get all of (a), hence >>> all of (b)? If you ponder this a bit, from several points of view, >>> you'll see it's nonsense. >> >> The problem with the above is that neither of the components of this nice >> formula is directly measurable, > > Need is measurable: Someone seeing a carpenter saying, "I need > a cupboard" is certainly measurable. It is not the data one needs to open a furniture store. Economy does not function this way. > Paying customers are > measurable, too, count them, and sum the paid bills. You have to get paying customers first. Note that Randy's point about perfect software nicely fits to your example. A quality cupboard is bought once per human life. I don't want to be an IKEA's "paying customer." I don't want them shipping me logs instead of furniture. >> or stable. > > Who said business could be stable? Not business, but the parameters you need to control production. Market economy solves the problem uncertainty by moderate wasting the resources. It follows all adjacent paths. It is a sort of breadth-first search. This is not a universal solution though, especially when resources are limited. We can observe that in the software developing sector, market produces immense wasting without quality. >> Otherwise, planned economy would >> be possible, and also, be much more attractive than yours, because of its >> physical rather spiritual way of acting. > > If someone starts some method of financially rewarding software > production, and it works, and you say, huh, this is XYZism, than > your priestly remark adds the ideology, not the working business > model. I just don't believe in any model based on ideological or religious imperative. > Ask people about the features and misfeatures of Ada. > What is a good way to change the perception of Ada? There is no good way, because Ada is a committee language (which is *good*), a relic of the epoch, when quality was an issue. -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de