From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,b6df8f8501cf7275 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Received: by 10.66.72.3 with SMTP id z3mr1857532pau.40.1357498038190; Sun, 06 Jan 2013 10:47:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Easiest way to build Qt/Gtk interfaces for Ada programs Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 15:49:28 -0600 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <87072854-0f81-41fd-8cb0-ede78fccf6e7@googlegroups.com> <52aed30c-1fd3-407e-be52-2c366b9002d6@googlegroups.com> <49ad97eb-fac1-49f0-a4ea-2dd79fa803d0@googlegroups.com> <4f9f0be9-7c11-4499-8c6d-1a56ed6e4f3c@googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1356990573 8759 69.95.181.76 (31 Dec 2012 21:49:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 21:49:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Path: s9ni89200pbb.0!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!news.mccarragher.com!news.grnet.gr!de-l.enfer-du-nord.net!feeder2.enfer-du-nord.net!gegeweb.org!news.ecp.fr!news.jacob-sparre.dk!munin.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail Date: 2012-12-31T15:49:28-06:00 List-Id: "Justin Time" wrote in message news:4f9f0be9-7c11-4499-8c6d-1a56ed6e4f3c@googlegroups.com... Le samedi 29 d�cembre 2012 01:48:37 UTC+1, Randy Brukardt a �crit : > wrote in message ... >> I suspect that this workflow is the problem that Dmitry is referring to. >> It >> doesn't mesh well with incremental, agile development, where you are >> constantly tweaking both the GUI and the code that supports it. >> >The gate3 tool is not intented for incremental development. >It just ouputs a sketch (with stubs for the callbacks). >It is almost stupid but saves time of typing repetitive code. >For complete newbies, they can get a prototype very quickly. IMHO, all projects need incremental development. The number of times that you know exactly what you want beforehand is vanishingly small. >And the advantage of Gtkbuilder is the good decoupling between UI >and code. One can modify the XML/glade file for layout and re-run the app >without any recompilation Sure, but that only works if you know exactly what windows/controls you want the first time. That's hardly likely. >The perfect tool does not exist, but if you have one stupid tool that saves >you >3 hours on a 3-day project that's not bad. On a 1 man-year project, >you don't care. I'd rather use a smarter tool that scales well, because I don't have time to learn a dozen tools for different sized projects. (If saving your 3 hours requires a six hour learning curve -- which is optimistic -- what are you gaining.) This is the same reason that I use Ada for virtually all of my programming - even for throwaways (because it's not that unusual for the throwaways to get used more than you think and need to be modified). Anyway, tools choices are a fairly personal thing. Randy.