From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,e793d50ead4087cc X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Received: by 10.180.81.40 with SMTP id w8mr9372757wix.0.1356738686407; Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:51:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-FeedAbuse: http://nntpfeed.proxad.net/abuse.pl feeded by 78.192.65.63 Path: l12ni258200wiv.1!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!nntpfeed.proxad.net!news.muarf.org!news.ecp.fr!news.jacob-sparre.dk!munin.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Thickening Ada GTK or Vala Binding ? Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 17:51:24 -0600 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <0c94b952-2bdf-4f25-98a3-91a67ed2355d@googlegroups.com> <1b6lxwgy1k8dv.80a4pq6ce32b$.dlg@40tude.net> <5e5417ad-8e81-44f2-beeb-ac47360b37a3@googlegroups.com> <13mq4q166dvto.18m38jiqi1pv3$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1356738685 11297 69.95.181.76 (28 Dec 2012 23:51:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 23:51:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Date: 2012-12-28T17:51:24-06:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:13mq4q166dvto.18m38jiqi1pv3$.dlg@40tude.net... > On Thu, 27 Dec 2012 13:53:27 -0800 (PST), Patrick wrote: ... >> Ada should not only be for journeymen programmers, it has a lot to offer >> to everyone, I think the community needs more people working to lower the >> very high barrier to accomplishing something with it on the desktop. > > I don't believe that bindings to any GUI framework (Gtk, Qt, Win32 etc) > could be improved to achieve that. I reluctantly have to agree with Dmitry. We tried to hide all of the warts of Win32 with Claw, but that mainly made a different set of warts. I rather doubt it is possible to hide everything mainly because the event-driven model of programming simply does not mesh that well with "classical" sequential code (and the same is true for object-oriented code). And it's pretty much impossible to completely eliminate the event-driven nature of a GUI. (That's especially true for "modeless" windows/dialogs.) If someone knows how to pull it off, that's great. But I won't believe it until I see it. Randy.