From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.180.107.167 with SMTP id hd7mr2052060wib.0.1350600734381; Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:52:14 -0700 (PDT) Path: q11ni134368020wiw.1!nntp.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Jeffrey Carter Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 15:52:09 -0700 Organization: Also freenews.netfront.net; news.tornevall.net Message-ID: References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 22:52:14 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="c90e089bb12f916d4cef1340590eea0f"; logging-data="20191"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19xmflMyKC7jqbxFRbpquY8aI5Kl8IpVYY=" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:16.0) Gecko/20121011 Thunderbird/16.0.1 In-Reply-To: Cancel-Lock: sha1:kf+xXrVLdwH9Dl+Imll35fQbYbc= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 2012-10-18T15:52:09-07:00 List-Id: On 10/18/2012 03:33 PM, Randy Brukardt wrote: > > That's the reality -- and it isn't likely to change. Unless the board > manufacturers themselves start supporting Ada development systems, I don't > think there will ever be many choices for bare/small targets. (Especially as > Ada *never* has been used for small targets, even back in the 1980s when > there was a lot of pressure from the DoD to do so.) Wasn't the "Ada Beats Assembler" project a small target? I recall that the expectation was that Ada would be neither small enough to fit in the available memory nor fast enough to meet the real-time deadlines; in the end, Ada was faster and smaller than assembler. -- Jeff Carter "Why, the Mayflower was full of Fireflies, and a few horseflies, too. The Fireflies were on the upper deck, and the horseflies were on the Fireflies." Duck Soup 95