From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5faad1722103f6a7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!cyclone.bc.net!news.uunet.ca!nf3.bellglobal.com!nf1.bellglobal.com!nf2.bellglobal.com!news20.bellglobal.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Warren W. Gay VE3WWG" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: 7E7 Flight Controls Electronics References: <90Stc.15309$be.3117@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net> <40b86431$0$186$edfadb0f@dread11.news.tele.dk> <40B888E0.5040707@noplace.com> <40B8C86A.3050302@noplace.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:45:10 -0400 NNTP-Posting-Host: 198.96.223.163 X-Complaints-To: abuse@sympatico.ca X-Trace: news20.bellglobal.com 1086194703 198.96.223.163 (Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:45:03 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 12:45:03 EDT Organization: Bell Sympatico Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:1031 Date: 2004-06-02T12:45:10-04:00 List-Id: Pascal Obry wrote: > Marin David Condic writes: >>Mostly, its because I think it is a complete waste of time to look at jobs >>going to C++ and opine over how they rightly should be done in Ada. What are >>we doing to get Ada *into* those jobs? ... > That's not so easy. I've seen lot of project managers chosing C++ even if > they knew that Ada was cheaper/safer. As I said that's not so easy... This is > political, choising a technology that everybody uses can't be something that > we'll be reproached to you if the project is not on schedule/budget! It is an even tougher sell on the business side, where it is rarely seen (I know that it is used in business, but perhaps more on the European continent). When I once tried promoting it, the studies/findings about Ada results didn't matter. I got the quiet in the hall hushed remarks such as "Couldn't you suggest something a little more main stream? Ada? Is there nothing more modern that you would recommend? Can you still hire people that use this Ada?" With responses/questions like these, you know that your chances are going to be slim, at best. Eventually, the project never materialized, but I found it interesting to measure the responses. The problem may be more prevalent in Canada. There seems to be a low awareness level of what Ada is, let alone knowing anyone who uses it. If you are considering buying a strange brand of car for example, people like the comfort of knowing someone that owns it (even if from afar). Within Toronto, I think only XWave has been known to offer Ada jobs, for testing of flight systems (IIRC). If the Ada position is lower paying as well, then guess what wins the order of the day for the programming career choice! -- Warren W. Gay VE3WWG http://home.cogeco.ca/~ve3wwg