From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,81bb2ce65a3240c3 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.236.170 with SMTP id uv10mr10713291pbc.4.1335577096842; Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:38:16 -0700 (PDT) Path: r9ni106449pbh.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!goblin2!goblin1!goblin.stu.neva.ru!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!mx04.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: BrianG Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What would you like in Ada202X? Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 21:38:10 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <3637793.35.1335340026327.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynfi5> <855277.360.1335540781903.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjj38> Mime-Version: 1.0 Injection-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 01:38:16 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="5MNoRlpIAhOS/jy0qxZerw"; logging-data="14370"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX194q0ZzAMRdHV/8xVJp5Ye4" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.24) Gecko/20111108 Thunderbird/3.1.16 In-Reply-To: <855277.360.1335540781903.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@ynjj38> Cancel-Lock: sha1:+uM/cp6n9FmYMWb3mcCSSjTjoYA= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 2012-04-27T21:38:10-04:00 List-Id: On 04/27/2012 11:33 AM, mjsilva@scriptoriumdesigns.com wrote: > I want Ada to be as easy to use on smaller, popular 32-bit embedded processors as C is now. And I don't want to have to wait until 202x. > > And I'm continuously surprised that hardly anybody else seems to think this is a goal worth pursuing. I don't think it's an uncommon position here, but how do you pursue this, and who does the pursuing? I doubt language-designers can do much (except add curly-brackets :-). It takes convincing the embedded processor makers/distributors (or the community) to make compilers available. Of course, if you can get GCC on the processor, you can also have GNAT - without tasking, run time, etc. "No_Run_Time" is not difficult. Perhaps it would help to have a "Minimal_Run_Time" also (e.g. the features available using nothing but the C runtime available on a basic GCC port - preferably with an Ada flavor, not just a binding), at least for GNAT. Then you need any processor- or system-specific library bindings. -- --- BrianG 000 @[Google's email domain] .com