From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c733905936c6b6b0 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.68.125.233 with SMTP id mt9mr11740504pbb.5.1334633622486; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:33:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Path: r9ni65118pbh.0!nntp.google.com!news2.google.com!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!gegeweb.org!news.ecp.fr!news.jacob-sparre.dk!munin.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: [OT] interesting reason why a language is considered good Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:33:35 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <8603135.951.1334573001928.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbdy9> <4f8c06f5$0$7617$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <14veb9cpamoda.ck9fbsd5m9m$.dlg@40tude.net> <4f8c3431$0$7627$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1334633620 3160 69.95.181.76 (17 Apr 2012 03:33:40 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:33:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 Date: 2012-04-16T22:33:35-05:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:szik5e8e6n4m$.dgyqh41b6k6b$.dlg@40tude.net... ... >> I disagree strongly, likely because IDEs usually become only DEs for >> heterogeneous sources in my real world: IDEs typically >> lack reliable means of automatically mapping (possibly broken) >> source to and from foreign layout, but layout becomes essential if >> syntax is abandoned for readability. Moreover, I happen to work in >> an environment that requires the use of editors (and terminals) >> that happen to be available with a given foreign system. My work >> can become rather difficult when programmers have relied on >> "graphical" or "typographical" properties of some IDE, and not >> plain old syntax. > > Statistically irrelevant. Probably there exist Ada programmers using > typewriter without characters |, #, " (See Ada 83 RM 2.10). Don't care! Well, I think you'll find a lot of Ada programmers that don't use an IDE at least part of the time. Me, for instance. (I've never found one that doesn't get in the way when editing -- and I built two of them during my career; I still use a circa 1986 MS-DOS editor for virtually all program editing.) Assuming any particular display for a programming language is exactly wrong, because things change faster than the programming language could possibly change. Randy.