From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,e6d1607a5397de6b X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2000-11-01 08:16:17 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!xfer13.netnews.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mathworks.com!cyclone.swbell.net!nnrp3.sbc.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Pat Rogers" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <39FDE9E4.35F615A6@netwood.net> <39FDF025.FDDE904F@worldnet.att.net> <3A002AFA.910DC18E@NOSPAM.visteon.com> Subject: Re: Is the Ada World Embarrassed by the Defense Industry? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 10:16:13 -0600 NNTP-Posting-Host: 208.191.184.67 X-Complaints-To: abuse@swbell.net X-Trace: nnrp3.sbc.net 973095375 208.191.184.67 (Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:16:15 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:16:15 CST Organization: SBC Internet Services Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:1685 Date: 2000-11-01T10:16:13-06:00 List-Id: "John Kern" wrote in message news:3A002AFA.910DC18E@NOSPAM.visteon.com... > > > James Rogers wrote: > > > > "E. Robert Tisdale" wrote: > > > > > [[snip]] > > > This is also nonesense. It is easier to find C and C++ programmers > > than Ada programmers. It is definitely NOT easier to train C and > > C++ programmers than Ada programmers. > > > > Among other things, you must train C and C++ programmers to avoid the > > numerous dangerous features of the language, particularly when > > developing > > real-time system. You can spend less time teaching Ada, without multiple > > class hours spent on avoiding dangerous language features. > > I find it somewhat amusing that in the automotive arena, there is a > whole industry of products available to keep the typical C programmer > from screwing up. Our software process recommends, among the typical > things, 'Safer C' training from Les Hatton, MISRA C coding guidelines, > static analysis tools like QA C, OSEK compliant RTOSes for standardized > kernel access, and UML tools that help us draw pictures of what we would > have already done with Ada packages anyway. Also, there are the > individual compiler issues and training, and the misguided attempts to > achieve reuse by adding copious precompiler directives, etc. Too, the MISRA guidelines for C actually recommend Ada (among others) as an alternative to C. --- Patrick Rogers Consulting and Training in: http://www.classwide.com Deadline Schedulability Analysis progers@classwide.com Software Fault Tolerance (281)648-3165 Real-Time/OO Languages Adam ... does not deserve all the credit; much is due to Eve, the first woman, and Satan, the first consultant. Mark Twain