From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,de98d0782a843079 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-19 04:02:26 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-06!sn-xit-08!supernews.com!small1.nntp.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nntp3.aus1.giganews.com!nntp.clear.net.nz!news.clear.net.nz.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 06:02:24 -0500 From: Craig Carey Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Problem space and solution space Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 23:02:22 +1200 Message-ID: References: X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.92/32.572 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Customer of Mercury Telecommunications Ltd Cache-Post-Path: drone5.qsi.net.nz!unknown@tnt1-338.quicksilver.net.nz X-Cache: nntpcache 2.4.0b5 (see http://www.nntpcache.org/) X-Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: drone5-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz X-Original-Trace: 19 May 2003 23:02:21 +1200, drone5-svc-skyt.qsi.net.nz NNTP-Posting-Host: 203.97.37.6 X-Trace: sv3-L4f/8+IqdizE0uMVEcD8beWMb2NtwAS1G9VjzBoQxugsE5F+dUBd+RonhAaXl8Y9IGXCk5oELFP50Ho!fiHv+RJ0yxdSK9kl8akzLdmRnz/g9+XTjNIiEJ0C7vKURdHn1eBFeC9TIK5jB1GSerSTw0CYf6lj!ofUE1Zc= X-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-DMCA-Complaints-To: Complaints to abuse@clear.net.nz X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:37509 Date: 2003-05-19T23:02:22+12:00 List-Id: On Wed, 14 May 2003 06:16:28 +0400 (MSD), "Alexandre E. Kopilovitch" wrote: >maa@liacc.up.pt (M?rio Amado Alves) writes: >><>software development process>> (Alexander) >> >>A typical situation occurs in the chain >> 1 requirements specification >> 2 design >> 3 program >>where 1 is a problem to the designer, 2 is a solution to 1, 2 is a >>problem to the programmer, and 3 is a solution to 2 (and transitively >>to 1). > >No, that is only the middle part of the actual chain, which is more like this: > >1 real-world problem -- here we are in problem space > >2 requirements specification -- here we are still in problem space ... Mr Tardieu (ada.eu.org gateway maintainer) wrote back to me, on my private topic of a solution for the problem of threads at comp.lang.ada, being fragmented (by messages from Russia). It was suggested privately that I modify "Mailman" software. I can't see what change would lead to success in this matter of stops threads fragmenting up after passing through the software in France. If a change were made then an obvious thing to do is to have the mailman software require that 2nd and subsequent message contain a "References" header. However that likely will not improve the apparent situation for users of the outstanding Agent e-mail client for the Windows OS, since Agent and Free Agent ignore "References:" headers. I sent in a bug report to Agent months ago on the ignoring of References headers and no fix resulted. They almost document that problem here: http://www.forteinc.com/agent/features.php Though it looks like all of Mr Kopilovitch's messages currently go through the ada.eu.org gateway, I would hope that it gets closed. Mr Kopilovitch may be holding on to some of the best arguments for keeping the gateway open. It is little used. I was writing to Mr K privately in the last week but my e-mail was not being replied to, leaving little option but to write here. Craig Carey http://www.ijs.co.nz/ada_95.htm