From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_40,INVALID_DATE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,d6d0b1dededa8975 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-01-18 22:15:25 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Path: nntp.gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!jakala From: jakala@netcom.com (henry jakala) Subject: Re: "Some" Ada jobs in the Chicago area Message-ID: Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest) X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1] References: <95011.221727U54294@uicvm.uic.edu> <3f600m$gb4@hops.entertain.com> <3fh1ve$gmj@esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 1995 06:15:25 GMT Date: 1995-01-19T06:15:25+00:00 List-Id: Hartsough Michael J. (hartsoug@bonham.dsd.northrop.com) wrote: : Hi there! : I'm a Software Developer at Northrop-Grumman's Electronics Warfare Systems : Division in Rolling Meadows, Illinois. i quit in August and they go and change their name, hope it wasn't anything i did, last time i checked the division was still called "Electronics Systems Division" (ESD) : Colin's message was so full of misinformation that I couldn't restrain myself : from responding. ;^) : There currently are about 50 "open reqs." for permanent positions in our : software development organization. We have needs for all skill levels, from : entry-level up to Project Engineer/Technical Advisor/Unit Manager. 50 open reqs ? for Digital Systems ? where are they going to put them ? : >As I recall, the hightest pay for the semi-manager Ada programmer there was : >about $40K. : My job title is "Engineer Specialist". That's (I believe) one level above Sr. : Programmer and two levels below Unit Manager 1. So I'm not even a quasi-semi- : manager. My salary is at the low end of the scale for my position, and I make : considerably more than 40K (like ~50% more). i was an Engineering Specialist Sr, contract engineering is much more lucrative and offers more variety as well as allowing you to pick and choose your own assignments. : Oh, there's no distinction made between "Ada programmers" and any other : programmers. I'm not an "Ada Engineer Specialist", even though I've been : using the language exclusively for the last 8 years. : >If Ada jobs in Chicago were so hot, then the jobs would be filled without : >advertising in Chicago or any other major city (which is not the case). : Sr. Management is extremely particular about to whom it makes offers. They much : prefer being under staffed than poorly staffed. Although an individual may be a : perfect fit for "right now", an offer won't be extended unless that individual : is also a perfect fit for "later". and only if you know the right answer to the "mystery" question ( an inside joke ) : By way of example, over the last 2 years we've interviewed several people whose : skills I desperately needed for a subsystem I'm developing. Although they were : superb talents who would have made my last 2 years infinitely less difficult : than they've been, we did not extend offers to them because their skills : weren't a good match for what this site traditionally does, or plans to be : doing in the future. i never heard about it, oh well : >When I was contacted the sub-contractor doing initial screening did not have : >accurate or detailed job descriptions, did not know the exact term of the : >assignment, and did not know if the "company" would pay for moving from : >another city. : I'd say you need to talk to a different shop. ;^) : If you come in as contract labor, I seriously doubt that the company would pay : for you to relocate. If you come in as a permanent employee, the company's : relocation benefits are quite comprehensive. : I started here ~2-1/2 years ago. I was living in L.A. at the time. I was given : about 6 flights back to L.A. for my family and me, counting the actual move and : closing on the L.A. house. : All of my moving expenses were covered, including storing everything in a : warehouse for 3 months while we waited for escrow to close on our new house. : Northrop put me up in a nice furnished apartment, rent free for 6 months : (I was granted a 3 month extension to the original 90 days because we were : having trouble selling our L.A. home). A couple of the "new grads" have told : me that they were also provided a furnished apartment, so I guess this : relocation benefit goes all the way down to "entry level". : I forget the details now, but Northrop also paid my closing costs on both : houses, including Lawyer fees, "Points" on the new mortgage, and I believe : the realtor's commission on the sale of my L.A. home. : Michael : p.s. Ordinarily I think these disclaimers are silly, but in this case I'll make : an exception. The opinions expressed above are solely my own and are not : necessarily those of the Northrop-Grumman corporation. -- jakala@netcom.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- if you like a Liberal's version of Liberty then you'll love Totalitarian Communist States and their People's Democratic Republics all hail our Philanderer in Chief and Hillary Rob'em Cheat'em, but not for much longer !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------