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On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:56:50 +0100, Simon Wright wrote:

> "Randy Brukardt" <randy@rrsoftware.com> writes:
> 
>> Even people who should know better do it (and I know I have, too). It's
>> a pain to create a reproducing example, but a lot of time when I do
>> that, it becomes clear what is wrong (and it often is "operator
>> error"!).
> 
> Me too.

+1.

Though the other side is: making the reproducible test case can be 
significant work in itself,. By the time you have five of them open 
against a tool (all real bugs : clearly not written in Ada!) you begin to 
wish you could charge the helpdesk for your time... it's easier than 
justifying charging it to the project.

- Brian