From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 109fba,cd8ed9115942852f X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Thread: 103376,b92b95c9b5585075 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gid4f1905883f,gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Jed" Newsgroups: comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why use C++? Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 00:56:39 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <1e292299-2cbe-4443-86f3-b19b8af50fff@c29g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <1fd0cc9b-859d-428e-b68a-11e34de84225@gz10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com> <9ag33sFmuaU1@mid.individual.net> <1d8wyhvpcmpkd.ggiui9vebmtl.dlg@40tude.net> <150vz10ihvb5a.1lysmewa1muz4$.dlg@40tude.net> <1q4c610mmuxn7$.1k6s78wa0r8fj.dlg@40tude.net> <4e44e50a$0$7619$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <4e4560e7$0$6546$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4e4659ab$0$6545$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Injection-Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 05:56:20 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx04.eternal-september.org; posting-host="KjJVZ+2pm40y3WME79WlsQ"; logging-data="6698"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/ZlVHk1xnr1jbCA/f3cMpp" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 Cancel-Lock: sha1:QBYAQNj4wuHtVr9CvkUygLgJfIQ= X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.c++:82960 comp.lang.ada:20621 Date: 2011-08-14T00:56:39-05:00 List-Id: Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On 12.08.11 21:51, Jed wrote: > >> I like the semantic also (not the syntax though). I still don't have >> a feel for the scope of the desired (your) semantics and the compiler >> implementation effort requited though. So far, I'm clear on "ranged >> integers + size attribute". > > As others have argued, and as has come out of the study > mentioned earlier, (attempt at "appeal to authority" noted) > the language should "should" doesn't fly on Wikipedia. > Sorry, I can't present to you a complete and consistent summary > of the world's programmers' ideas about whole number types in > their programs, other than in the negative: they are rarely covered > by int, as is exemplified in this thread. Do "call me" when your thoughts are accepted on Wikipedia. > > A positive addition: Oh, you were being "negative"? I didn't notice! > we Who is "we"? Trying to include me, unsuspecting, may be a warring action. So just don't do that anymore. > already have alternative ways of > declaring types and they lead to exactly as efficient > programs. It's called reality. Deal with it (better than you dad did, an of course your mom does not matter). I didn't say accept it. > > These types are an interesting challenge, anyway. Your types are known, and not interesting. > A few compiler > writers There is no such thing. > have done some homework and decided that cyclic types (beyond > wrapping ones such as unsigned int) would be nightmarish to > implement. At least efficiently, IIUC. > > But do they have to implement all kind of ideas, or should > a language just offer building blocks for the type system? Dmitry "knows" that. Ask him. >> So, a control panel on top of the low-level things. (4GL vs. 3GL). > > int refers only to what the C++ standard has to say about > minimal properties of int. Simply being more specific about what > values I have in mind is far, far away from a 4GL language. I assure you I know abstraction. You can take your "vote", and shove it up your ass. Cry me a river. Reap what you sow.