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From: "Jed" <jehdiah@orbitway.net>
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Subject: Re: Why use C++?
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"Georg Bauhaus" <rm.dash-bauhaus@futureapps.de> wrote in message 
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> On 11.08.11 12:57, Jed wrote:
>
>> You have to build those types though based upon the built-in ones, 
>> yes?
>> If so, aren't modular, wrapping and overflow-checked equally good for
>> something and all worthy of being in a language? Of course there is
>> signed, unsigned and the different bit widths as candidates also. And 
>> are
>> not those built-ins good to use "raw" in many cases? Are you 
>> suggesting
>> that a language have NO types? There is assembly language for that 
>> (and
>> the instruction set pretty much dictates what types you have to work 
>> with
>> at that level).
>
> I like means to construct discrete types, for example, from
> items expressible in the language without explicitly referring
> to some built-in named type.  Let literals 0 and 15 be known to the
> compiler.  Let the programmer say,
>  "I want a ranking system, and I want the type for that system
> to have values {0, ..., 15}. Plus I need the following operations,
> ..., but not these ..., and my "-"/'Pred function should be saturating
> (if there should be operator overloading)."
>
> In this request, does the programmer need to refer to int, or uint16_t,
> or Ada's Natural, or anything for that?
>

I understand that desire. I consider that 
higher-than-close-to-the-machine level of programming for, it's just 
abstracting some underlying thing. I wonder if that is what Dmitry wants: 
a higher level of abstraction.