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"Dmitry A. Kazakov" <mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de> wrote in message 
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> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 17:37:28 -0500, Randy Brukardt wrote:
>
>> There are uses for wrapping types, but they are far less likely than 
>> wanting
>> overflow detection. The default should be to catch errors, not turn 
>> them
>> into different ones.
>
> The OP mentioned image processing, the behavior frequently needed there 
> is
> saturated integer arithmetic, which is nether ranged nor modular.
>
> As for modular types, wrapping is the mathematically correct behavior, 
> it
> is not an error.
>
> You just cannot provide every possible arithmetic at the language 
> level.
>

What do you think the practical level of limitation is? Were you thinking 
"beyond integers" with your statement? What kinds of integer types would 
you like to see built-in to a hypothetical ideal language?