From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,5d4ade2fd8fd67c6 X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!news.in2p3.fr!in2p3.fr!news.ecp.fr!news.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!jacob-sparre.dk!ada-dk.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Legit Warnings or not Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:32:55 -0500 Organization: Jacob Sparre Andersen Research & Innovation Message-ID: References: <531193e0-3305-4292-9ed8-0176226c1d00@x12g2000yql.googlegroups.com> <1rx6dwrxmc81p.eazb4fjqztox$.dlg@40tude.net> <1hi6gva8jhf7o.tq1yp29jn3qu.dlg@40tude.net> <1a259uy924xfx.1ajyj4ot8cv26.dlg@40tude.net> <5o7ldmlcjx4y.182r17y6vir8z.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: munin.nbi.dk 1311895977 15196 69.95.181.76 (28 Jul 2011 23:32:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 23:32:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5931 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:21377 Date: 2011-07-28T18:32:55-05:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote in message news:5o7ldmlcjx4y.182r17y6vir8z.dlg@40tude.net... > On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:10:09 -0400, Robert A Duff wrote: > >> "Dmitry A. Kazakov" writes: >> >>> I.e. it leaks. >> >> Right. Somebody famous said "all abstractions leak". > > That is why I would prefer to move this stuff out of the language. A full > view of a type must tell what is going on. And that's the fundamental disagreement. I much prefer the technique the Ada uses: the compiler can do anything it wants, but the user can request a specific representation when that is necessary. (Which is a fairly rare occurrence). I want languages to get higher-level -- without sacrificing performance -- not lower level. Randy.