From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-19 22:00:44 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!pd2nf1so.cg.shawcable.net!residential.shaw.ca!news2.calgary.shaw.ca.POSTED!not-for-mail From: kaz@accton.shaw.ca (Kaz Kylheku) Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> <3C3F8689.377A9F0F@brising.com> <3219936759616091@naggum.net> <3C483CE7.D61D1BF@removeme.gst.com> <3C4863C5.6040406@mail.com> <3C48AE35.BA38ED04@adaworks.com> <3C4A58B8.10304@mail.com> Organization: Psycho-Neurotic Institute for the Very, Very Nervous Reply-To: kaz@ashi.footprints.net User-Agent: slrn/0.9.6.3 (Linux) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 05:59:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.69.255.206 X-Complaints-To: abuse@shaw.ca X-Trace: news2.calgary.shaw.ca 1011506382 24.69.255.206 (Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:59:42 MST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 22:59:42 MST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:24776 comp.lang.ada:19116 comp.lang.eiffel:5475 comp.lang.smalltalk:18232 Date: 2002-01-20T05:59:42+00:00 List-Id: In article <3C4A58B8.10304@mail.com>, Hyman Rosen wrote: >Richard Riehle wrote: > >> procedure Copy_Deep (Source : in T; Target : in out T); >> procedure Copy_Shallow (Source : in T; Target : in out T); > > >I dislike the notion of providing these methods as external interfaces >to a type. It seems wrong to me for a client to have to know what kind >of copy to use - that's the type's business to know. This turns out to be circular reasoning, because what a type ``knows'' is partally defined by the operations you can perform on it. Suppose that you have N methods for copying an object. I do not take it as a theorem that you can always make an (N + 1)-th method which unifies the other N, magically choosing the appropriate one. How can this magic meta-method possibly know what semantics the caller wants?