From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.66.219.69 with SMTP id pm5mr4714404pac.8.1395263088886; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 14:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Path: border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!ur14no10264698igb.0!news-out.google.com!bw18ni18228qab.1!nntp.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!news.giganews.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 16:04:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 17:04:48 -0400 From: Alan Browne User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ANN: Kickstarter for beginning work on a new open-source Compiler References: <5151491a-14c3-4138-bcb5-f29108aeefb9@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <5151491a-14c3-4138-bcb5-f29108aeefb9@googlegroups.com> Message-ID: X-Usenet-Provider: http://www.giganews.com X-Trace: sv3-ehkKW2XpP1p99YYS5HQ8zt3nEu/Bx1Hz+86wVEconlwP0mgDIpUj1zaBbz9WshtJ8+As/tNcIMiaktZ!YBSpaBDgR/apCLIxiisYwsyKL6l7/92gSW90mLqn1lf2zXJKJBG81xU1B5DeVMcPe/meej98+w== X-Complaints-To: abuse@giganews.com X-DMCA-Notifications: http://www.giganews.com/info/dmca.html X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 X-Original-Bytes: 2890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Xref: number.nntp.dca.giganews.com comp.lang.ada:185202 Date: 2014-03-19T17:04:48-04:00 List-Id: On 2014.03.18, 19:23 , Shark8 wrote: > It is my belief that a new, non-GNAT, open-source [and free] Ada 2012 translator would be a good thing for both the Ada community and the general programming population -- this without even breaking from the traditional approaches. However, I think that a good, quality IDE/PSE could be quite advantageous; offering better project-management, documentation, verification, versioning, and correctness/consistency checking. > > The working-copy of the proposal is here: > https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwQVNNshW39cTXVOdWxQaVJ5WjA/edit?usp=sharing 0. Why is your exec summary so detailed? 1. Delphi? Why not in Ada? 2. Your subject is "... a new open-source Compiler". Your project is not so much about a compiler. 3. Text. Nothing wrong with that. You can ridicule it all you like with quotations, but it is the lowest common denominator. Strawmen arguments like EOL and character sets is just distraction - such are easily fixed/translated if not handled automatically. 4. References to alleged poor design practices at Toyota are specious and irrelevant. The Sony reference too. (You're employing "scare" marketing. Bzzzt.). 5. This whole project, to me, puts the programmer too far away from the source code. Buries it. That is not a good objective. -- ... it may be that "in the cloud" really isn't the best term for the services these companies offer. What they really want is to have us "on the leash." -David Pogue, Scientific American, 2014.02