From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,ab26e93e5cda5b8a X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!newsfeed.straub-nv.de!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: John McCabe Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GnatBench (from GPL edition) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 10:08:47 +0000 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <0c45u3pfughmu7ir3qppv068vpilh22e01@4ax.com> <83f3c6f9-603d-45ea-9653-bd4790f84871@e60g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <3mqiu3pdt12sirmn5dko6mjo1snr3infrh@4ax.com> <52ilu39q6mje4df8csr9odpkick389alh2@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 8xFrDPbGvE3CA8T+awNlRA.user.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-Newsreader: Forte Free Agent 2.0/32.652 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:20602 Date: 2008-03-27T10:08:47+00:00 List-Id: On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:07:30 -0400, Stephen Leake wrote: >John McCabe writes: > >I've been tempted to switch to Eclipse from Emacs, mostly because Java >is better for writing structured code than Lisp; I'm getting tired of >fighting obscure Lisp code in Emacs. Oh no - surely not!!! Don't do it Stephe, who'll look after ada-mode :-) >(Yes, I know that means I should go all the way and switch to GPS. But >Eclipse has far more capability than GPS; it's much closer to Emacs). Personally I'd avoid GPS. I've only had a little play with it, but two things about GPS would put me off... 1) It's phenomenally ugly, at least on Windows where the GTK widgets it uses just don't (in my opinion) look right. Perhaps GPS Pro is better? 2) Who uses it outside the Ada world? Can you get full support for Python, Perl, PHP, Ant, Java plug-ins for it, what about ? Are you ever likely to? 3) As AdaCore have developed Gnatbench (although I can't get it to work sensibly :-) you have to wonder whether this could be the beginning of the end for GPS. In addition the ADT (Hibachi) development is also supported by AdaCore along with a multitude of other Ada vendors. http://www.eclipse.org/org/press-release/20071105_hibachi.php 4) It's got a silly acronym/abbreviation, it's too much like GPS (Global Positioning System)! (well, 4 things I guess :-) Eclipse not only looks better, as they've used the SWT widgets, it's more widely supported. GPS clearly has many useful features, but there doesn't seem to be much (that I know of) that couldn't be implemented in Eclipse. With all due respect to AdaCore, I do wonder why they ever bothered to create GPS - surely IDEs aren't their core business? The one big advantage over Eclipse is start-up time though, but when you're developing software professionally (in my experience) you often just have the IDE open permanently anyway! >This discussion makes me want to wait Just a Little Longer :). I have to say that Gnatbench looks promising, it's about time there was an industrial strength Ada IDE for Eclipse, but I just can't understand why I have this significant issue with it.