From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,d3287d5ba796ff88 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: GNAT documentation in Debian References: <871wivf1l8.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <1176218053.519325.50180@n76g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4o6484nsgo.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> <1176220950.024444.193960@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <2omz1gmbh4.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> <873b38dqqo.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> From: Markus E Leypold Organization: N/A Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 22:17:42 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Some cool user agent (SCUG) Cancel-Lock: sha1:4Bhljo+PrW93tr5LHnSk66Qfpdc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii NNTP-Posting-Host: 88.72.227.169 X-Trace: news.arcor-ip.de 1176235824 88.72.227.169 (10 Apr 2007 22:10:24 +0200) X-Complaints-To: abuse@arcor-ip.de Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!tiscali!newsfeed1.ip.tiscali.net!news.tiscali.de!newsfeed.hanau.net!news-fra1.dfn.de!newsfeed.arcor-ip.de!news.arcor-ip.de!not-for-mail Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:14888 Date: 2007-04-10T22:17:42+02:00 List-Id: Ludovic Brenta writes: > Markus E Leypold writes: >> Also I didn't want to say that this costs me so much time now: I only >> wanted to oppose the message "and we (the free maintainers) don't care >> for non free docs, wether they are packaged or so" (I'm interpreting >> your word here). I only wanted to point out the fallacy in that. > > The real message was that nobody cared *enough* to spend the time > necessary, not that nobody cared *at all*. Oh sorry, I understood what you said, explicitely as "we (the maintainers) don't see that as a problem". As far as lack of documentation goes I've the same reproach to the Linux (kernel) maintainers and so on: Missing documentation and if it exists copyright restrictions on documentation is the bane of free software at the moment. I'd wish we'de at least come back to the original "reference manual" idea which is so neatly embodied in the man pages. > And that nobody includes you, Markus. If you cared enough, you > would spend the time. Actually a question of priorities. I would have cared enough some time ago. I had a number of of improvements to GtkAda between 1 and 2 years years ago, some add-ons and was on the verge of starting to seriously getting into maintaining a compiler + libraries compilation system that should provide a identical runtime environment between Linux and Windows. I was really interested in that. Then AdaCore began those licensing games and frankly -- wheras I could perhaps have lived with a change to GPL, I cannot live with AdaCore attitude (and believe me, mailing with the acting director of AdaCore europe was the logical equivalent to an out of body experience: Quite surreal and that not because I failed to ask specific question _could_ not be misunderstood). I then decided that I won't have any of that (and yes -- I'd have sent a lawyer simply to get information instead of evasion, if I had not decided at the end that changing "my software strategy" would, at the end, be much more profitable and marketable. I'm well on my way _away_ from Ada now (and so are my clients), so sorry: Almost anything I'd do for Gnat (or related libaries) now, would not be a (relatively cheap) spin off, instead it would cost me heavily. Also there is other free software that needs my attention now. "Not caring" does not always explain why people don't fix a specific problem, and I prefer to do the things right I'm doing, instead of going round and fixing things other people have missed (and there would be a lot of fixing to do even in Debian which I like and the experience is not always favourable when one reports bugs and submit patches (happened to me, happened to friends)). No offense intended, but I'm not the debian maintainer of Gnat. Regards -- Markus