From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_WORDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-13 05:52:23 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!news.iac.net!news-out.cwix.com!newsfeed.cwix.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Ken Garlington" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <93imdb$k02$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A5CF82A.211D2FD7@worldnet.att.net> <3A5DBBCF.B86EB393@bton.ac.uk> <3A5DF4C3.331B58CB@lmco.com> <3A5E4F78.4C915182@brighton.ac.uk> <006401c07c43$6c8a2620$0302a8c0@db2000> <3A5FCCDC.8E6F67F9@chicagonet.net> Subject: Re: What to Do? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 13:52:12 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.215.83.192 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 979393932 216.215.83.192 (Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:52:12 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2001 07:52:12 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3985 Date: 2001-01-13T13:52:12+00:00 List-Id: "Petra Lynn Hofman" wrote in message news:3A5FCCDC.8E6F67F9@chicagonet.net... : I can't believe this thread!!!!! I was away for a week and it has gone : on and on. And there is much interesting and useful information. What : seems clear to me is that Ada95 is not going to be going places without : a large corporate sponsor who has programmers trained in Ada at the : college level. Although I was exposed to Ada83 in college, very few people we hired in the '80s had that experience (many of them didn't even have training in software engineering in college, for that matter). It didn't seem to affect my company that much -- we just provided our own training (as we do for C++ , Java, UML, etc.). You will need more than "a large corporate sponsor," however: you'll need *multiple* sponsors for it to be more than a niche language. (On a side note: Has anyone else noticed how few of the leaders in the software engineering field -- people like Watts Humphrey and Barry Boehm -- have ever gone back and taken a degree in computer science or software engineering? Are there other fields taught in universities now that have this situation?) : I've checked all over the Chicago area and no college or : tech school offers classes in Ada programming. Therefore, my : presumption is that there is insufficient demand. It also seems clear : to me that Microsoft is running not only hardware but software : decisions, too. I think this becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy.