From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,84f721148b16bb3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!news.astraweb.com!border2.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!feeder6.cambrium.nl!feeder1.cambrium.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!amsnews11.chello.com!nuzba.szn.dk!news.jacob-sparre.dk!pnx.dk!not-for-mail From: "Randy Brukardt" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: The A-Z of Programming Languages: Ada, interview with S. Tucker Taft Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:57:41 -0500 Organization: Jacob's private Usenet server Message-ID: References: <910cef1d-2ba2-4130-8f1f-2ce192756cfa@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <4846a33e$0$27453$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <2f24888f-35fc-4b7d-b188-d121d950063d@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com> <4847f10d$0$6543$9b4e6d93@newsspool3.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: static-69-95-181-76.mad.choiceone.net X-Trace: jacob-sparre.dk 1213235870 28894 69.95.181.76 (12 Jun 2008 01:57:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: news@jacob-sparre.dk NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 01:57:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:661 Date: 2008-06-11T20:57:41-05:00 List-Id: "Ed Falis" wrote in message news:op.ub96mfvb5afhvo@naropa... > On Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:58:36 -0400, Georg Bauhaus > wrote: > >> IIUC what Taft says in the interview, Ichbiah didn't like the >> _way_ OOP was to be implemented. OTOH he had been working on a >> Simula compiler at INRIA. So maybe OOP alone was not the elephant. >> > > I wasn't there, but rumor had it that JDI wanted to use the term "class" > (rather than "tagged type") for consistency with other OO languages. I > don't know what his other disagreements were. I *was* there, and that was a major contention between two groups. (I was on Ichbiah's side on this argument, but I didn't quit when I lost. ;-). I don't recall any technical objections that he had. The whole discussion degenerated into something rather theratical. I don't want to go into detail, because I don't want to speak ill of the dead (or of the living, for that matter). I personally thought that using derived types (which no one understood in Ada 83) to implement classes was a mistake. Tucker was adamant on this point. I'm still not sure if he was right, but I'm used to it now. (Adding overriding indicators surely helps a lot, by indicating the programmers intent.) Randy.