From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,7332b19c66a79eea X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news2.google.com!news2.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.unit0.net!news.exosphere.de!news.buerger.net!uucp.gnuu.de!newsfeed.arcor.de!newsspool1.arcor-online.net!news.arcor.de.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" Subject: Re: Quantified Expressions: "some" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada User-Agent: 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Reply-To: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Organization: cbb software GmbH References: <4ce31bb6$0$7670$9b4e6d93@newsspool1.arcor-online.net> <2d44ff4d-b3ad-4593-8492-4d16fb6b6a2e@j2g2000yqf.googlegroups.com> <1t7pvrh3i022d.8t9yqjonagar$.dlg@40tude.net> Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2010 14:38:19 +0100 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Date: 17 Nov 2010 14:38:20 CET NNTP-Posting-Host: b56b1b16.newsspool3.arcor-online.net X-Trace: DXC=U@kBb=^bd\4d8Nb@@ZG@b=McF=Q^Z^V384Fo<]lROoR18kF7enW;^6ZC`4\`mfM[68DC3YAi1a4aT@K: X-Complaints-To: usenet-abuse@arcor.de Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:16518 Date: 2010-11-17T14:38:20+01:00 List-Id: On Wed, 17 Nov 2010 12:05:14 +0000, (see below) wrote: > On 17/11/2010 10:46, in article 1t7pvrh3i022d.8t9yqjonagar$.dlg@40tude.net, > "Dmitry A. Kazakov" wrote: > >> On Tue, 16 Nov 2010 22:31:50 -0800 (PST), AdaMagica wrote: >> >>> On 17 Nov., 01:03, Georg Bauhaus >>> wrote: >>>> � (for all X in domain | P (X)) >>>> � (for some X in domain | P (X)) > ... >> "for some" looks awful, why not "exists" or U+2203, since we are Unicode >> now? (:-)) > > Why? It reads as perfectly idiomatic English and is standard mathematical > phrasing. I never saw "for some" quantification. BTW, it also looks inconsistent with Ada. The proposal uses | in the meaning "condition". But Ada's meaning for | was "union." The word Ada used for "condition" was "when." I have no idea what the proposal would do with: ( for all X in 1 | 3..5 | F'Range | P(X) ) One could use a simpler notation for convolutions/set measures than the above, and, in any case, without introduction of a free variable (e.g. X). -- Regards, Dmitry A. Kazakov http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de