From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.159.35.107 with SMTP id 98mr3045475uae.8.1470840075093; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.157.44.69 with SMTP id f63mr404380otb.2.1470840075052; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:41:15 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!feeder01.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!j37no7741288qta.0!news-out.google.com!d130ni30794ith.0!nntp.google.com!f6no8866488ith.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:41:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=165.225.80.105; posting-account=bMuEOQoAAACUUr_ghL3RBIi5neBZ5w_S NNTP-Posting-Host: 165.225.80.105 References: <31c22983-150c-4dab-abba-588e15f75914@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New IEEE Language Popularity Ratings From: Maciej Sobczak Injection-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 14:41:15 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Bytes: 2988 X-Received-Body-CRC: 2712087129 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:31355 Date: 2016-08-10T07:41:14-07:00 List-Id: > > Their perception is that Ada is a very large, extremely difficult=20 > > language with an impossible learning curve.=20 >=20 > And C++ isn't? > C++ is enormous and complicated. I don't believe anybody > knows it all. This is not a convincing argument. First, nobody knows the whole of Ada, ei= ther - even the experts on this group occasionally get into troubles with s= ome language corners and with each language edition, there are more and mor= e of them. Second, in embedded and safety-critical systems it is an establi= shed practice (sometimes even a requirement) to use a language subset, the = more constrained the more critical the system is supposed to be. This appli= es to any language and if you get any strict coding standard, the language = subsets are comparable in their size and learning curves. In other words, it does not matter how dirty or difficult is C++ in any of = its corners that is not going to be used in the project anyway. Another point worth noting, especially in the embedded industry, is that ha= rdware vendors heavily push C to their customers in terms of compilers, IDE= s and HAL libraries. Go to any ARM vendor website and see what they have. I= t is not surprising that engineers coming to the market automatically fall = into the trap... and stay there, as the potential advantages of Ada are not= obvious if not backed by existing references from the hardware vendors. Co= nsider that many people in this business are hardware (electronic) engineer= s who are new to programming, not the other way round. Without support from hardware vendors, Ada will have a very difficult time = getting any attention. --=20 Maciej Sobczak * http://www.inspirel.com