From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.129.50.70 with SMTP id y67mr27734765ywy.18.1437317742488; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.98.138 with SMTP id o10mr432473qge.33.1437317742468; Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!69no640391qgl.1!news-out.google.com!4ni81554qgh.1!nntp.google.com!z61no2003379qge.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 07:55:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1d671d0f-7740-4c5b-a6d0-975ed85e6e8b@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=75.74.189.161; posting-account=yiWntAoAAAC1KqC_shmxJYv07B9l6LNU NNTP-Posting-Host: 75.74.189.161 References: <084c0dc7-ae74-4cb8-b1fe-78f42de94291@googlegroups.com> <1d671d0f-7740-4c5b-a6d0-975ed85e6e8b@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Weakness of Ada is expensive / security / etc. ? Anything else? From: David Botton Injection-Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 14:55:42 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:26889 Date: 2015-07-19T07:55:42-07:00 List-Id: > I know popularity shouldn't be a point, but the lack of popularity drives= to lack of tools, libraries... It is only a part. The vendor focus for Ada is in a niche where the tools a= re either present or they provide all that is needed, So no R&D is focused = outside of it for tools except a few open source volunteers, many of whom h= ave left, or reduced contributions, because they feel snubbed by license ga= mes that drive down the popularity of the language and greater usefulness o= f their contributions. (As an example, I only chose Ada in the end for Gnog= a because I wanted a last ditch effort to help Ada from become a completely= obscure language as the current business models are set to do and the clos= ing up of SigAda efforts, etc. but if I had written Gnoga in Python for exa= mple it would make a massive impact and quickly.)=20 > That's a weakness unless it is a niche and very specialized language. And= as far as I know Ada is supposed to be general purpose language.=20 Yes, but small minded thinking is that preventing Ada's wider use will make= the niche where it is used more valuable. In the big picture interest in A= da for general purpose use has resulted in its reduction in education envir= onments and over the course of time the niche use will continue to disappea= r completely since other general purpose languages are attacking that same = niche for business as well. > I don't know how it works with non-PC. But, unless you go for GPL, commer= cial Ada is really expensive. No, FSF GNAT works well for professional large projects. Although if large = enough you will want as with any language and tool you use support which Ad= aCore offers at a very reasonable for market rate. =20 > If you think not in the compiler alone, but in a framework, a framework = to work properly with Ada compared to frameworks that use other language, A= da is expensive, really expensive and, leaving aside the compiler, much poo= rer. You'd have give specific examples, but Ada is not that far behind in most a= reas and ahead in others (like Gnoga :) > GPS is a good IDE but not near Delphi or Visual studio, but prices are.. = well.. for deep pockets. They are different products and just comparing what is the same you will fi= nd Microsoft support is not so cheap and Delphi is outright ludicrous in pr= ice. (Actually who in their right mind would use Delphi over Lazerous and F= ree Pascal today anyways and if you are smart you'd use Gnoga over either o= f those :) David Botton