From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11232c,877ba3d67e73c6c3 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-16 08:44:15 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!skynet.be!skynet.be!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!news2.euro.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news2-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "martin.m.dowie" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,misc.misc References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <5ee5b646.0204121930.64733eeb@posting.google.com> <5wTt8.15598$C21.3515342@news6-win.server.ntlworld.com> <5ee5b646.0204130620.114953ae@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:43:59 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 213.104.127.22 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news2-win.server.ntlworld.com 1018971851 213.104.127.22 (Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:44:11 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 16:44:11 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22603 misc.misc:6391 Date: 2002-04-16T16:43:59+01:00 List-Id: "Marin David Condic" wrote in message news:a9eq3h$7e4$1@nh.pace.co.uk... > "martin.m.dowie" wrote in message > news:pHYt8.15029$sL6.2187840@news11-gui.server.ntli.net... > > > > It is a shame that COBOL has Fujitsu to develop COBOL.NET but > > that Ada has no such large corporate to perform this sort of work. > > Without such a sponsor it is hard to see how Ada gets out of the > > catch22 of: > > User: "Why use Ada when it doesn't support feature X?" > > Vendor: "Why support feature X when there is no user demand?" > > > Maybe its worth looking for a big corporate sponsor? A corporation that is > looking to distinguish itself as something "different" from the rest of the > pack? The Ada vendors have the problem that they lack the resources to sink > into tools/targets "on spec" that something will emerge. But for a large > corporation that may have the need for such products (internally or > externally), the development cost might look like a spit in the bucket. > Maybe finding some "strategic partners" creates advantages for Ada as well > as advantages for the parties involved. > > Of course there are always those sticky cliche's about "riding on the back > of the tiger" or "getting into bed with an elephant" and such to serve as a > reality check. :-) Nice idea, but who? Boeing are an obvious candidate given their history of Ada use - but is that still true? And even it it was, it just reinforces the preconception that Ada is only any use in the avionics field (which I think we can all appriciate is not true). Reuters news agency I understand use it but not throughout. CANAL+ could be a better bet - are you out there Pascal? Anyone else any better ideas?..