From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a1c:b4d4:: with SMTP id d203-v6mr770945wmf.14.1529617368233; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a9d:5c03:: with SMTP id o3-v6mr556852otk.7.1529617367892; Thu, 21 Jun 2018 14:42:47 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.gegeweb.eu!gegeweb.org!usenet-fr.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.128.88.MISMATCH!x11-v6no98639wmh.0!news-out.google.com!n13-v6ni20wmc.0!nntp.google.com!u78-v6no47660itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 14:42:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wour97a8.fsf@nightsong.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=47.185.195.62; posting-account=zwxLlwoAAAChLBU7oraRzNDnqQYkYbpo NNTP-Posting-Host: 47.185.195.62 References: <584564c2-9f64-4965-b045-535cdaf899c0@googlegroups.com> <7cb22c58-3009-47f0-8fe7-62f3cd61785d@googlegroups.com> <52b14af1-ee0a-40af-871a-beeced6bce1c@googlegroups.com> <87wour97a8.fsf@nightsong.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Why are Ada compilers difficult to write ? From: "Dan'l Miller" Injection-Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2018 21:42:48 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader02.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:53234 Date: 2018-06-21T14:42:47-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 4:08:48 PM UTC-5, Paul Rubin wrote: > "Dan'l Miller" writes: > > Does there even exist a major (either commercial or FOSS) > > well-maintained-all-the-way-to-C11 =E2=80=A2C-only=E2=80=A2 compiler an= ymore that is > > not also a C++ complier? >=20 > I don't know what counts as "major" and I'm not sure if the entirety of > C11 is present, but I use SDCC sometimes (sdcc.sourceforge.net) and it > supports at least some of C11. It has a substantial user base in the > embedded dev community. Yeah, I suppose that SDCC would count, and it was likely started after 1993= . (I picked 1993 only because that is the year that Ada/Ed-interpreter dev= elopment switched over to GNAT-compiler development at NYU, assuming that G= NAT was 100% from scratch without borrowing any prior 1980s-era Ada/Ed code= .) Now that I think of it, there likely have been some closed-source C-proper = compilers for DSPs and NPs that were written from scratch since 1993 too. = But the moral of the story remains the same: microcontrollers and DSPs and= NPs are all severely resource-constrained to the point of making any Ada o= r C++ or Java support impractical therein. Certainly the OP was not focus= ing on the difficulty of force-fitting Ada into microcontroller, DSP, or NP= development.