From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 2002:a24:5ed3:: with SMTP id h202mr1141924itb.17.1553836410497; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:13:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:aca:5184:: with SMTP id f126mr2461731oib.44.1553836410220; Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder-in1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!78no61232itl.0!news-out.google.com!r82ni96ita.0!nntp.google.com!136no61110itk.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 22:13:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=87.116.181.109; posting-account=z-xFXQkAAABpEOAnT3LViyFXc8dmoW_p NNTP-Posting-Host: 87.116.181.109 References: <6e1977a5-701e-4b4f-a937-a1b89d9127f0@googlegroups.com> <6f9ea847-2903-48c8-9afc-930201f2765a@googlegroups.com> <87a7hgvxnx.fsf@nightsong.com> <4e240c66-dce8-417f-9147-a53973681e29@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Intervention needed? From: Bojan Bozovic Injection-Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 05:13:30 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: reader01.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:55989 Date: 2019-03-28T22:13:29-07:00 List-Id: On Thursday, March 28, 2019 at 9:48:09 PM UTC+1, G. B. wrote: > Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > On 2019-03-28 08:01, Maciej Sobczak wrote: > > Attempts to use quality assurance=20 > > methods known in engineering disciplines to software result in=20 > > nonsensical standards and certification procedures which assure nothing= =20 > > but wasting human resources. > >=20 >=20 > The equivalence class of economically viable software firms demonstrates > that there exist a sweet spot. It lies between investing in the productio= n > of correct logic and selling software that has layers of waste. >=20 > For an analogy, compare compost and composites.=20 >=20 > Customers and programmers alike might say that anything with waste in it = is > not sweet, it=E2=80=99s bitter. But, they are sheep. Enjoy Ada while you = can. With Internet of Things and the like devices, self-driving cars etc. the ne= ed for correctness in software will only increase not otherwise. When compu= ters can affect the environment physically matter of correct behaviour beco= mes paramount, so Ada really have the future. What's important is to promot= e it outside of safety-critical software, for general programming, so that = those that don't even know about Ada now can learn it and use it.