From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,93a8020cc980d113 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!news1.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.aset.psu.edu!not-for-mail From: "Bob Spooner" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: What is wrong with Ada? Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 10:25:09 -0400 Organization: Penn State University, Center for Academic Computing Message-ID: References: <1176150704.130880.248080@l77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com> <461B52A6.20102@obry.net> <461BA892.3090002@obry.net> <82dgve.spf.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1176226291.589741.257600@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> <4eaive.6p9.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <1176396382.586729.195490@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: nat4.arl.psu.edu X-Trace: f04n12.cac.psu.edu 1176733510 30550 128.118.40.79 (16 Apr 2007 14:25:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@f04n12.cac.psu.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:25:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15059 Date: 2007-04-16T10:25:09-04:00 List-Id: "Markus E Leypold" wrote in message news:n3r6qpea4p.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de... > > "kevin cline" writes: > >> Are you claiming that use of Ada makes it safe to release code that >> has never been tested? > > Actually -- why not? In my experience spuriously tested Ada code > usually has the quality of extensively tested C code. Perhaps my cases > where not really comparable, but it is astonishing how much Ada code > is "just right" if it compiles. > > Of course we're not talking about embedded programs / control systems > of whatever kind here. And those should probably better verified > and/or extenseively formally reviewd instead of only tested. > > Remember: Formal review is a (proven) much better QA tool than > testing. > This has been my experience as well. When I was first learning Ada, back around 1986 or so, I was astonished at the percentage of programs I wrote which, once I had a clean compile, did _exactly_ what I expected. It's borne out as well in the form those "stump the experts" sessions take. With C type languages, the question is: "What does this do?" With Ada, the question is: "Will this compile?" Bob