From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,21960280f1d61e84 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!news.germany.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: Cesar Rabak Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How come Ada isn't more popular? Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 20:40:12 -0200 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Message-ID: References: <1169531612.200010.153120@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <20070123211651.c0d43695.tero.koskinen@iki.fi> <87zm89tpk7.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <4q4pqgmdwo.fsf@hod.lan.m-e-leypold.de> <1169719988.972296.121430@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com> <4iauh.1157694$084.1040745@attbi_s22> NNTP-Posting-Host: wklhi55tB/huEK4HCsA6Ww.user.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 (X11/20061109) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:8693 Date: 2007-01-29T20:40:12-02:00 List-Id: Markus E Leypold escreveu: > Cesar Rabak writes: > >> present beliefs in the SW industry are that the process (CMM sense) is >> what makes SW more reliable or not. > > Well, that is not completely wrong, you know. Yes I know! > Though usually in > practice are code reviews are rarely done, despite the fact that they > are known to be the best instrument for creating code of high quality. > > >> Upper management is used to navigate in the muddy waters of non >> perfect systems: unreliable OSs, virus/worm/trojan threats, so coping >> with a 'popular' language is part of the (usual) business. > > Which just means they recognize the value of the "things that already > exist" oas opposed to "the things that would have yet to be > written". A wise attidute indeed. My only issue with this is the lack of a quality metric to ascertain the adequateness of the 'thints that already exist'. > >> Another question we tend to forget about C is the formidable ecosystem >> that exists to help companies to get right with lint-like tools, >> memory checkers, etc. > > Exactly my point. This mitigates the "C is utter s***" judgment a bit. > I think so, too, and for the worse (at least for me when I try to use Ada technology) one can even hear that "...in C the use of these tools and their expenditure is at users will...whereas...". [snipped] >> Food for thought: >> >> Let's see, if we pick a recent project (Next-Generation James Webb >> Space Telescope) what would be the proposed language by IBM? > > Perhaps mot C#. What do you suggest? I don't have a clue, but even in the site from Rational (where there is mention to other IBM products) there is not a word about Ada... > > Regards -- Markus >