From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,21960280f1d61e84 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news3.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!inka.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!feed.news.schlund.de!schlund.de!news.online.de!not-for-mail From: Michael Bode Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: How come Ada isn't more popular? Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 13:11:20 +0100 Organization: 1&1 Internet AG Message-ID: References: <1169531612.200010.153120@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1169588206.234714.312650@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> <1169624573.534128.172610@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com> <4EBuh.15104$pQ3.9387@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <1dag58frl4200.y6zxhjgy5y0s$.dlg@40tude.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: p54af1f0a.dip0.t-ipconnect.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: online.de 1169986293 12764 84.175.31.10 (28 Jan 2007 12:11:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@einsundeins.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 12:11:33 +0000 (UTC) X-message-flag: IMPORTANT MESSAGE -- PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY!!! X-Accepted-File-Formats: ASCII, .rtf, .ps, .pdf - *NO* MS Office files User-Agent: Gnus/5.110006 (No Gnus v0.6) Emacs/21.4 (gnu/linux) Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:8643 Date: 2007-01-28T13:11:20+01:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A. Kazakov" writes: > The example is wrong C, but the point is that such examples show little if > anything. Who is designing console applications today? What about "Hello > World" in X11, Windows API, GTK+ or similar with a requirement of some > definite look-and-feel? If we looked at C, Ada, Python code of that, we > would find all them far from being expressive. I'd say such micro examples don't show anything even if you make them GUI examples. A graphical "hello world" in Tcl/Tk would be: pack [label .l -text "Hello World!"] So why isn't Tcl/Tk the most popular language today? One hint on why Ada isn't popular might be my own case. I'm an autodidact in programming (I'd never dare to call me software engineer). I learned programming at the age of 14 with BASIC, later I discovered Turbo-Pascal and liked it much better (I had to unlearn some quite bad BASIC habits). When I switched from DOS to OS/2 I found out what's so bad about vendor lock in: no Turbo-Pascal for OS/2. So I looked for a better standardized language and changed to C/C++ but never liked it much. I've found out about Ada only 3 years ago on Usenet. Finally there was a (Turbo-)Pascal done right. Had there only been more advertising for Ada95 10 years ago that could have saved me years of C. -- Michael Bode