From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,36a29c2860aff686 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!r16g2000prh.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: Shark8 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Properties Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 19:47:08 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <3b84c8e7-1a51-4a7c-9646-119f1fc51478@s4g2000yql.googlegroups.com> <4pnv7nl4cdui$.1n28i7lqk4mek$.dlg@40tude.net> <1k7367gtebsgm$.18auo6u3nfg34.dlg@40tude.net> <618677c8-a44f-443e-9052-a94fb48c999a@s4g2000yql.googlegroups.com> <4287748c-0962-4cd2-a36b-9dd7113267a6@21g2000prv.googlegroups.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 174.28.198.93 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: posting.google.com 1291348028 1680 127.0.0.1 (3 Dec 2010 03:47:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 03:47:08 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: r16g2000prh.googlegroups.com; posting-host=174.28.198.93; posting-account=lJ3JNwoAAAAQfH3VV9vttJLkThaxtTfC User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.2.12) Gecko/20101026 Firefox/3.6.12 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET4.0E),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15763 Date: 2010-12-02T19:47:08-08:00 List-Id: On Dec 2, 12:46=A0pm, Adam Beneschan wrote: > On Dec 2, 8:45=A0am, Warren wrote: > > > > > Shark8 expounded innews:618677c8-a44f-443e-9052-a94fb48c999a@s4g2000yql= .googlegro > > ups.com: > > > >> Ya, that seems to be a sensible approach. It's hard for me > > >> to forget a lifetime of C-based brainwashing. ;-) > > > >> Warren > > > > The Unix-hater's Handbook has a nice chapter on C-based > > > programming... I found the explanation of what C's "arrays" > > > are to be most helpful in a [required] C class I took > > > later. It's freely downloadable here: > > >http://simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf > > > I am actually a fan of Unix/Linux. And C arrays/pointers must > > be groked early, if you want to survive the art of any serious > > C programming! > > > But the text looks like an amusing read, so I'll read it on my > > commute home. It'll be interesting to see what some folks find > > to hate about Unix. The only detracting thing I find about it, > > is simply the fact that it is well steeped in C. > > I couldn't actually find the part about arrays that Shark8 alluded to > (although I didn't look very hard). =A0However, I did find the section > "Creators Admit C, Unix Were Hoax". > > > But then, prior to Unix, O/S's were usually steeped in > > assembler language (like OS/2 for a modern example). =A0C has > > been a big improvement in that regard. > > Yes, the big disadvantage that assembler had over C was that, despite > the fact that its mnemonics can be cryptic, they are actually based on > English words and use real letters, which meant that there was a real > possibility that the rookie programmer in the next cubicle might > actually be able to understand and fix your program, leading to loss > of job security. =A0I think that was one of the problems C was designed > to address. > > :) :) :) Just kidding! > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- Ada= m Interesting you should mention that; I got into a discussion elsewhere about OSes and the influence of the programming languages they're developed in. One of the people in the discussion did an analysis/ recommendation for Microsoft right after windows came out... their recommendation was to re-encoded in Ada. ...and on the note of 'job security,' on that same discussion was posted this link: http://www-users.cs.york.ac.uk/~susan/joke/cpp.htm