From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.50.20.71 with SMTP id l7mr10832907ige.5.1395850624611; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.140.47.130 with SMTP id m2mr26846qga.37.1395850624561; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) Path: border1.nntp.ams.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!feeder.erje.net!us.feeder.erje.net!news.glorb.com!ur14no14261207igb.0!news-out.google.com!bw18ni23267qab.1!nntp.google.com!hw13no8866992qab.1!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 09:17:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <206rutb9pqak$.11a3dufqvmrm4.dlg@40tude.net> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=31.183.14.242; posting-account=fc1UmgoAAADREbhuD8e4smj7nsEdRFz9 NNTP-Posting-Host: 31.183.14.242 References: <7f1c01c5-3563-4b94-9831-152dbbf2ecdc@googlegroups.com> <206rutb9pqak$.11a3dufqvmrm4.dlg@40tude.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Your wish list for Ada 202X From: Stoik Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 16:17:04 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: 2014-03-26T09:17:04-07:00 List-Id: W dniu =C5=9Broda, 26 marca 2014 09:17:39 UTC+1 u=C5=BCytkownik Dmitry A. K= azakov napisa=C5=82: > On Tue, 25 Mar 2014 14:41:16 -0700 (PDT), Stoik wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > > I think that even a casual user of Ada should be able to influence some= how >=20 > > the new version of Ada. I wonder what is high on your list of wishes fo= r >=20 > > Ada 202X? >=20 >=20 >=20 > No. Casual users have casual ideas. Ada already suffered too much from >=20 > casual additions. >=20 I strongly disagree with the view. The casual additions to Ada were not fro= m causal users, but from language designers. The casual ideas of casual use= rs are very easy to reject or just disregard. On the other hand, the bunch = of people that now influence the development of Ada is quite small, and if = something is proposed, the discussion is mainly on problems that such an ad= dition can cause.=20 Ada, as a language, is now half-dead. There is just one compiler on the mar= ket, and the fact that some small company wants to use the language is alre= ady big news. It is still used as the first programming language at some un= iversities,=20 but it is more and more difficult to substantiate its use. The situation wi= ll not improve if the language is frozen. Although Ada has a lot of nice fe= atures and is still better constructed than some of the more popular langua= ges, there is a lot that causes frustration for the users. I will comment o= n it more later on.