From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,bc1361a952ec75ca X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-08-03 13:56:26 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news5-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!news6-win.server.ntlworld.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "chris.danx" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <8766c7h2zm.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <5m0a7.21097$Kd7.13099003@news1.rdc1.sfba.home.com> <87r8uvuu48.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> <9hja7.1803$tQ5.728008@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: Evil browser-specific web sites (was: How Ada could have prevented the Red Code distributed denial of service attack. X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 21:51:19 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 62.253.12.174 X-Complaints-To: abuse@ntlworld.com X-Trace: news6-win.server.ntlworld.com 996871882 62.253.12.174 (Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:51:22 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 21:51:22 BST Organization: ntlworld News Service Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11264 Date: 2001-08-03T21:51:19+01:00 List-Id: "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:T7ya7.16220$ar1.58734@www.newsranger.com... > In article <9hja7.1803$tQ5.728008@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com>, chris.danx > says... > >"Florian Weimer" wrote in message > >news:87r8uvuu48.fsf@deneb.enyo.de... > >> Ah, I see. Here's an interesting resource: > >> > >> http://www.ajwm.net/amayer/papers/B5000.html > > > >That is just plain rediculous! What a lot of s**t! I cannot gain access to > >it simply because I'm an IE user! > > :-) > > Now you know how we Mozilla users feel about all those stupid IE-only sites. :-) Yes! It's not nice at all is it? I just downloaded the most recent build of Mozilla and it's very nice. In fact, I'm gonna dump IE from now on since Mozilla will (or does) have mathML support and I've heard now't about IE getting it. The only thing I didn't like about Mozilla for Windows was in the news reader. Threaded and other ordering options are mutually exclusive for now, but in OE you can have threaded *and* order on name, sender and date(the usual?), which is easier to use IMO. The other thing I almost forgot about was that I couldn't get it to work with my hotmail account because it's different from other accounts :-( Still it's not at 1.00 stage yet, they may introduce these sometime and it's very good regardless. > I *have* to use IE for newsreading, because my free newsreader service > (newsranger) refuses to fix some IE-extensions they put in the posting code > (causing postings made with other browsers to wrap in a really stupid manner). I > even went so far as to look at the HTML source and debug the issue myself, but > they don't care. And of course this is exactly what Microsoft was hoping would > happen when they introduced their browser extensions. That's not good at all Ted. I feel sorry for you :-( > Not that I support what this site did to you (acutally, *us*, as I clicked it > from my news browser window and got the same message). Two wrongs don't make > right, and this is *just* as bad and obnoxious as all those IE-specific sites > out there. However, I hope you can now at least see the larger issue for what it > is. The internet is for everyone and to ensure this is so, follow the standards and/or do not treat other ppl with contempt simply because they use a different tool? I probably haven't explained this very well, but I do know what you mean. > As a counter-measure, I'd feel better about just refusing to link to any > browser-specific sites. If they don't want to be part of the > platform-independent internet as it was intended to be, then we should *let* > them be their own separate IE-internet. :-) Agreed. Although I must say that my site was until tonight not very friendly to browsers, like Amaya(?), that do not support frames. I decided that this is a bit hypocritical and have modified it a bit to work with frame-less browsers (it's not quite finished; html takes forever to edit :-( ). Chris