From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,fd2f984f8ef238d1 X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!postnews.google.com!g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail From: MRE Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Why so hard to come up with a simple embedded Ada system? Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 04:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <37da1783-b355-4d43-a9a8-7f0d4ba4da9c@t13g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <6z43tsypm0g7$.1n3qizisulnrs$.dlg@40tude.net> <3fb3f705-d0f2-4323-8215-19ed91adbe24@c10g2000yqi.googlegroups.com> <4c41da73$0$6890$9b4e6d93@newsspool2.arcor-online.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: 193.25.39.47 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: posting.google.com 1279537754 12256 127.0.0.1 (19 Jul 2010 11:09:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2010 11:09:14 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: g19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=193.25.39.47; posting-account=9oKlagoAAAArpDKc-z70x-nwdNs7Rw_P User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:12466 Date: 2010-07-19T04:09:14-07:00 List-Id: On 17 Jul., 18:29, Georg Bauhaus wrote: > On 7/17/10 10:45 AM, MRE wrote: > > > Personally I have a > > project up and > > running where three of my students write code in Ada for AVR (8-Bit > > and 32-Bit). > > You can find decent Ada cross-compilers for both and that's what I > > use. > > > If you ask me however to do a similar thing for say MSP430, sorry I > > can't. I don't > > have a clue how to generate the cross-compiler for Ada and I don't > > know how to > > write / adapt the Ravenscar-Runtime. Furthermore I just don't have the > > time to lern > > it and I lack the ressources to have my students do it. > > Is there, in your view, a way to approach the subject as > a cooperative effort, touchy as it may be, with the simpler > goal of gradually improving an AVR run-time system and the tools? > Maybe making it portable where possible so more vendors > become interested? > > If PR noise and bureaucratic overhead have shown to be > counterproductive, maybe occasional produce from here > and there is more effective in helping the effort catch on. > An AVR teaching environment could then become visible even > on the radar of those departments where a preference is > for more abstract computer models. In fact yes. I am currently trying to get a tool vendor to support a research proposal in that direction. Still: my ressources are restricted. Sigh!