From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c4cb2c432feebd9d X-Google-Thread: 1094ba,c4cb2c432feebd9d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,gid1094ba,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news4.google.com!news3.google.com!news.glorb.com!news.aset.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!elk.ncren.net!scrotar.nss.udel.edu!not-for-mail From: Rich Townsend Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.fortran Subject: Re: Bounds Check Overhead Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:52:23 -0400 Organization: University of Delaware Message-ID: References: <0ugu4e.4i7.ln@hunter.axlog.fr> <%P_cg.155733$eR6.26337@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net> <6H9dg.10258$S7.9150@news-server.bigpond.net.au> <1hfv5wb.1x4ab1tbdzk7eN%nospam@see.signature> <4475DA61.3080001@comcast.net> <44762F55.4050106@cits1.stanford.edu> <87hd3d1472.fsf@ludovic-brenta.org> <3cBdg.6255$oa3.2407@trnddc08> NNTP-Posting-Host: shayol.bartol.udel.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: scrotar.nss.udel.edu 1148655134 28531 128.175.14.63 (26 May 2006 14:52:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@udel.edu NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:52:14 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.8 (X11/20060417) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en In-Reply-To: Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:4493 comp.lang.fortran:10290 Date: 2006-05-26T10:52:23-04:00 List-Id: Dick Hendrickson wrote: > > > Dan Nagle wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> Ludovic Brenta wrote: >> >> >> >>> And that's why Ada specifies that I cannot change inside the loop, and >>> is undefined outside the loop; see ARM 5.5 (9, 10). >>> >>> You seem to imply that Fortran has a similar rule, but that compilers >>> do not enforce that rule, and therefore have to perform range checking >>> to enforce a non-existent language rule about array access. I am >>> confused. Could you clarify? >> >> >> >> A loop index cannot be changed within the loop. > > It's actually a stronger rule, or maybe Dan's statement > could have been worded stronger. The loop index can't > be changed while the loop is executing. This covers > direct assignment in the loop and also in procedures > called from within the loop. > Given something like > COMMON I > DO I = 1,10 > call something (I) > call something_else() > enddo > "something" is not allowed to change it's argument and > neither "something" nor "something_else" is allowed to > change the variable in common. This prohibition flows > down the entire call tree from these routines. And that's > why it's hard to check. ...although a lot of the constructs introduced in Fortran 90 help in checking -- in particular, if the called subroutines have INTENT() on their arguments, then its pretty cut-and-dry whether I will be modified or not. Having said that, things like host association can muddy the waters somewhat -- but at least you only have to go down one level to check if I is being modified. cheers, Rich