From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,fce663eaf40b52f6 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public Path: controlnews3.google.com!news2.google.com!news.maxwell.syr.edu!c03.atl99!c01.usenetserver.com!news.usenetserver.com!elnk-atl-nf1!newsfeed.earthlink.net!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:43:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 10:43:52 -0400 From: "Robert I. Eachus" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Manifesto against Vector References: <9cadnQ6PhYWg4z_dRVn-sA@megapath.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.147.90.114 X-Trace: sv3-F7epo4sMZnPtdhQxVI0AhYZ9v84dYH3ENUhGOgIa7k0UsC+iH8U4PBlLKs8tOw2sGc1wFKdMQjGGFg0!/TnBldCMZ30hU4deSiWiosPixWgHrBmuHj63sDkmSjO+dJMZeTx0sk1zjZjOlw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.1 Xref: controlnews3.google.com comp.lang.ada:543 Date: 2004-05-13T10:43:52-04:00 List-Id: Randy Brukardt wrote: > In any case, I've spend far more time on this topic already than it ever has > desired. I'm not going to spend any more -- nice talking to you again. I've been staying out of the with/use discussion Part II, because it is a waste of time and electrons. But I'll make one last try to convince Russ. There are issues that Russ is either not willing to understand, or does not consider important. The ARG has considered ALL the technical and software engineering issues and concluded that this is a bad idea. If you, Russ, were willing to do the work (on all issues) and have the time and necessary mindset to be an ARG member, go for it. But on this, as on any issue, you will have only one vote and the power of persuasion. But another ARG rule is not to reopen old issues without new evidence. (Almost always something overlooked that makes the agreed solution wrong. Not just less popular.) Without that the ARG would spend all its time rehashing old issues and never get anything done. Or you could apply for membership on the US TAG to WG9 (or the equivalent group for whatever country you are a citizen of). WG9 reviews ARG approved issues and can send the ARG back to the drawing board if WG9 doesn't like the proposed solution. (And sometimes WG9 gets told, "Tough, we can't find a better solution." ;-) But again, you would have one vote among many, and I think at the WG9 level this proposal has even less of a chance of passing. So drop it. And notice that any ARG member has plenty of pet hobby horses he is willing to ride on the slightest excuse. But in the ARG, if you can't put that aside, accept the results of the vote, and consider the next AI, you don't belong there. Oh, and don't bother to respond to this post. In fact, I almost set followups to /dev/null or alt.flame, but I consider that anti-social. -- Robert I. Eachus "The terrorist enemy holds no territory, defends no population, is unconstrained by rules of warfare, and respects no law of morality. Such an enemy cannot be deterred, contained, appeased or negotiated with. It can only be destroyed--and that, ladies and gentlemen, is the business at hand." -- Dick Cheney