From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOTS_OF_MONEY autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ce1e7170ab2bc91c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-03-26 12:58:11 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!news-in-austin.nuthinbutnews.com!feed2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Ted Dennison Sender: usenet@www.newsranger.com References: <_pNv6.15345$ue1.1278082@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Why do so many companies use Apex? Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:56:42 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 127.0.0.1 X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com X-Trace: www.newsranger.com 985640202 127.0.0.1 (Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:56:42 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:56:42 EST Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:6075 Date: 2001-03-26T20:56:42+00:00 List-Id: In article <_pNv6.15345$ue1.1278082@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, Phaedrus says... >I've been developing with Ada since the mid 80's, and I don't think >that I've ever encountered a development environment as bad as >the Apex Ada environment. I've never used it myself, so I can't really comment, except to say that I have heard similar complaints from other Apex users. >2. Have you ever seen an environment that requires so much care and >feeding? Most companies hire consultants to be the "Rational Toolsmith", I'd guess that they see larger projects as their maket niche. In such an environment, you'd have a full-time toolsmith anyway. Not that I'm unsympathetic. I too have felt the pain of using tools meant to support hundreds of developers on a 5-developer job. Ick. >Granted, with Rational buying out most of the other Ada compiler companies >(Can anybody say "antitrust"? Would somebody PLEASE say it to Rational? In an >official way, if possible.) there aren't many vendors left to buy from, but I'm not so sure about this. The competetion in the Ada compiler field seems to be much better than exists for just about any other language you can name. On most platforms I've worked on there have been at least 2 available Ada vendors. On the more popular ones there are often 3 or more. Win32 probably has at least 5 native Ada compiler vendors. How many C++ vendors (in a *much* larger market) are there for Win32 right now? 2 maybe? --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com