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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: Help with my program
Date: 1997/02/21
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Date: 1997-02-21T00:00:00+00:00
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Peter said

<<Gee... that was REAL helpful, or perhaps you didn't read the message
title? Is this what Mike was talking about several weeks ago when he
mentioned how helpful the DJGPP community was and that perhaps we ought
to foster the same kind of comraderie (very much paraphrased here, sorry
Mike, I believe this was the gist of what you were talking about). I
have never seen anyone in the djgpp list respond like this!>>

I assumed (perhaps wrongly, but I doubt it) that this was a homework 
excercise. Peter may *think* that he is helping by doing other peoples
homework assignments, but in fact it is harmful. Doing you own work in
figuring out homework assignments is one of the most important ways of
learning, and you short circuit this if you spoon feed answersw.

In this case, the student (again I am assuming this was a student doing
a home work excercise), had declared a variable b, which was not otherwise
referenced in the program, and could not understand the diagnostic that
commented that b was never assigned a value.

Peter's help consisted of writing the code for the student that used b,
but I don't think that's helpful. Obvsiouly there is a very fundamental
lack of comprehension here, and it is not easy to even address this
level of lack of comprehension. If you do not understand that variaboles
in your program are declared because they are to be used for some purpose,
then you are missing some very fundamental grasp of what programs are
all about.

Supplying incomprehensible code is NOT the way to help some one with
this level of confusion. What you need to do is to ask the person WHY
they do not understand a message like this, as I did. From that answer
you will be able to get to the bottom of the misunderstanding.

Remember that the problem here is not to write a calculator program, it is
to understand HOW to write a calculator program. it is very easy to help
with the first problem (as Peter did), it is MUCH harder to help with the
second.

A friendly atmosphere in which students can easily get others to write
ttheir assignments for them may look nice, and short-sighted students
will no doubt find it nice, but it is NOT being helpful to them!

RObert