From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,b87849933931bc93 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better! Date: 1997/01/29 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 213010075 references: <32E999AE.2F68@parcplace.com> <32edc09c.3000098@nntp.interaccess.com> <5cio7f$brk$1@news.nyu.edu> organization: New York University newsgroups: comp.object,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.eiffel Date: 1997-01-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Richard Kenner said "I've heard nobody claim that *testing* is a bad idea. The claim, with which I agree, is that *reliance* on testing is a bad idea. There's a very large difference between those claims." Nicely and clearly put! Really the problem is premature reliance on testing. A lot of programmers never even seem to read their code, except in the context of testing and debugging. This means of course that they read only the code that testing digs up problems with, and the code and logic paths that do not get fully tested (testing can almost never be 100% complete in real life programs, since the range of inputs is too large), are never read by anyone.