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From: dewar@merv.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)
Subject: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!
Date: 1997/01/27
Date: 1997-01-27T00:00:00+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <dewar.854377413@merv> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 01bc0c4d$8a0108f0$c318b993@jarvisb


Bob says

"And, pray tell, what do *you* rely on to ensure reliability?  Purity of thought
and
the best of intentions?  :-)

I don't care what language a particular piece of software is written in.  If it'
s *my*
project I'm going to ensure it's tested thoroughly before it's deployed.


Robert replies

The tone of this reply certainly is a typical hacker's attitude that it is
impossible to write correct code, and that the only possible approach is to
write incorrect code, and then hope to correct it by testing.

In fact it is essentially impossible to write really high reliability software
this way, e.g. safety critical software. Sure testing plays a role, especially
disciplined testing such as code and path coverage testing, but it is
inconceivable to rely on testing alone. 

Writing correct code has nothing to do with purity of thought or good
intentions. It has to do with using a disciplined approach, aided by
formal specification and formal reasoning, often with the use of tools
specifically designed to support this approach (e.g. the PRAXIS Examiner).

Actually I would prefer to use the word rigorous to formal in the above
paragraph, because formal to many people means mathematically formal, and
although mathematical formalisms are important tools, they are not the
only possible approach.

Testing can reveal the presence of bugs sure, but haphazard testing cannot
provide the absence of bugs. It is true that formal testing techniques are
a legitimate part of a formal approach, and can be used to verify or provide
theorems and invariants about the code, but only if the code has been developed
in a rigorous manner to start with.

On the other hand, it is quite possible to generate high reliability code
with no testing whatsoever. For more information on this possibility (which
often seems almost incredible to the test-debug crowd), read up on the
cleanroom approach to generating software, an approach in which the development
team is not permitted to do any testing!





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1997-01-16  0:00 OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-16  0:00   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-17  0:00     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-17  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-17  0:00         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-17  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-20  0:00                   ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-21  0:00                     ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Marc Robertson
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-27  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
     [not found]                             ` <32EE2FEE.62FE@p <32EE8415.2F5B@netright.com>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                                   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Black box or white box (Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` OO, C++, and something much better! David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-21  0:00                       ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-22  0:00                       ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-22  0:00                           ` Graham Hughes
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Mark Woodruff
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                               ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-25  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00                                   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Claus Reinke
1997-01-24  0:00                               ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Richard A. O'Keefe
     [not found]                               ` <E4voIF.86o@world.std.com>
1997-02-12  0:00                                 ` Ulf Schuenemann
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-23  0:00                           ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-23  0:00                             ` David Hanley
1997-01-25  0:00                             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-24  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-26  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
     [not found]                             ` <32E9BAAC. <5ce8t3$6gv@mulga.cs.mu.OZ.AU>
1997-01-28  0:00                               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Alan Knight
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Ed Shirk
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Eirik Mangseth
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                           ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar [this message]
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-02-08  0:00                   ` Robin Rosenberg
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Dennis Smith
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Jacqueline U. Robertson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` David Hanley
1997-01-30  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
     [not found]                       ` <5cr068$gpa@uni.library.ucla.edu>
1997-06-27  0:00                         ` David Shang
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Ronald E Jeffries
1997-06-28  0:00                           ` Mike Stark
1997-06-29  0:00                           ` Mike Anderson
1997-06-29  0:00                             ` Robert Dewar
1997-06-30  0:00                               ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` David Hanley
1997-01-20  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-19  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                 ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` George Wolke
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Jerry van Dijk
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00                   ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-19  0:00             ` Soren Skogstad Nielsen
1997-01-20  0:00             ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-26  0:00               ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Multiple Type Interfaces Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                   ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` david scott gibson
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` david scott gibson
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Dave Gibson
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-21  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-22  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` John Woods
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Combining dynamic and static typing Don Harrison
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Erik M. Buck
     [not found]                       ` <01bc0b21$6a8293e0$7df2ad80@wkst01.milagro.austin.tx.us>
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Luther Hampton
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Marc De Scheemaecker
1997-01-28  0:00                             ` Nathan M. Urban
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` David L. Shang
1997-01-29  0:00                               ` Russ McClelland
     [not found]                             ` <5d0efr$meb@news.xmission.com>
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` daniel damian burden
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` David L. Shang
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` David L. Shang
1997-01-24  0:00                   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Andy Bower
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` William Clodius
1997-01-25  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-29  0:00                     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-22  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-22  0:00                   ` John Kuszewski
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-23  0:00                       ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-21  0:00             ` Matthew S. Whiting
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Bob Haugen
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Samuel S. Shuster
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` Larry J. Elmore
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` David Hanley
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-26  0:00                   ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00                     ` TanselErsavas
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                           ` Antoine Trux
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-24  0:00             ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00               ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-26  0:00                 ` Felix Beer
1997-01-28  0:00               ` Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-01-29  0:00                 ` Del Archer
1997-01-27  0:00             ` David Hanley
1997-01-28  0:00               ` OO, C++, and more and more useless arguments! Robert C. Martin
1997-01-28  0:00             ` OO, C++, and something much better! Al Christians
1997-01-28  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-01-29  0:00             ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Chris Bitmead
1997-02-21  0:00             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-02-21  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-24  0:00             ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00               ` Brian Rogoff
1997-02-25  0:00                 ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-21  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-22  0:00             ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Bill Gooch
1997-01-23  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                         ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-24  0:00                           ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-27  0:00                             ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-25  0:00                           ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Defintion, again, was Re: Static vs. Dynamic typing again David L. Shang
1997-01-30  0:00                               ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Robert A Duff
1997-02-09  0:00                               ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-10  0:00                                 ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-14  0:00                                   ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-24  0:00                       ` Robb Nebbe
1997-01-25  0:00                         ` OO, C++, and something much better! David N. Smith
1997-02-15  0:00                       ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Pieter Schoenmakers
1997-02-16  0:00                         ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-01-23  0:00                     ` Rolf Breuning
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Jun Nolasco
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Mark Windholtz
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-23  0:00                   ` Richie Bielak
1997-01-24  0:00                     ` Eirik Mangseth
     [not found]                     ` <32E85588.1978@parcplace.com>
1997-01-26  0:00                       ` Paul Perkins
1997-01-26  0:00                         ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00                           ` John Gale
1997-01-30  0:00                             ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Damon Feldman
1997-01-28  0:00                         ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-28  0:00                 ` Alan Knight
1997-02-08  0:00                 ` Static vs. Dynamic typing again (was Re: OO, C++, and something mu Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-23  0:00               ` OO, C++, and something much better! Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` Tim Ottinger
1997-01-29  0:00                       ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-24  0:00                 ` traymond
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-28  0:00                     ` traymond
1997-01-25  0:00                 ` Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-27  0:00                   ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00                     ` Brian Rogoff
1997-01-28  0:00                       ` Reflection in Ada (was: Re: OO, C++, and something much better!) Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00                         ` Eric W. Nikitin
1997-01-30  0:00                       ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tim Ottinger
1997-01-23  0:00             ` James O'Connor
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Stanley R. Allen
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-19  0:00       ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-22  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-23  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-24  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-27  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-29  0:00             ` "(Sub)type" -safety Don Harrison
1997-01-29  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-30  0:00                 ` Don Harrison
1997-01-20  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-24  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-27  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-28  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Stephen J Bevan
1997-01-21  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-22  0:00   ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Bob Jarvis
1997-01-28  0:00         ` Travis Griggs
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Russ McClelland
1997-01-28  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-27  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00       ` Robert A Duff
1997-01-29  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-27  0:00   ` John Woods
1997-01-22  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-23  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-24  0:00 ` Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-29  0:00   ` Multiple Type Interfaces Joachim Durchholz
1997-01-25  0:00 ` OO, C++, and something much better! Tansel Ersavas
1997-01-25  0:00 ` James O'Connor
1997-01-26  0:00   ` Lawrence G. Mayka
1997-01-26  0:00     ` James O'Connor
1997-01-25  0:00 ` Eric Clayberg
1997-01-27  0:00 ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-02-07  0:00 ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-07  0:00   ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-12  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
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1997-02-14  0:00           ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-16  0:00             ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00               ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-17  0:00                 ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-13  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-13  0:00       ` Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18  0:00         ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-19  0:00           ` Mike Klein
1997-02-19  0:00           ` richard
1997-02-19  0:00           ` William Clodius
1997-02-19  0:00             ` Mike Klein
1997-02-15  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-16  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-20  0:00       ` Matt Kennel
1997-02-20  0:00         ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-16  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Dave Schaumann
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Anders Pytte
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00       ` Mike Klein
1997-02-17  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-19  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-21  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00       ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00       ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-17  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Alan Lovejoy
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Bernard Badger
1997-02-18  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Jon S Anthony
1997-02-18  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-19  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-21  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-24  0:00     ` Piercarlo Grandi
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-22  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00     ` Richard A. O'Keefe
1997-02-23  0:00   ` Definition of "operator" (was: OO, C++, and something much better!) Richard Katz
1997-02-24  0:00     ` David L. Shang
1997-02-25  0:00   ` OO, C++, and something much better! Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-25  0:00   ` Jon S Anthony
1997-02-27  0:00     ` Clayton Weaver
1997-02-26  0:00   ` Mike Klein
1997-02-25  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
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1997-01-08  0:00 Sazonov Cyril
1997-01-11  0:00 ` Bjarne Stroustrup
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1997-01-03  0:00   ` Eirik Mangseth
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1997-01-04  0:00       ` OO, C++, and something much better! John (Max) Skaller
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1997-01-05  0:00         ` Mike Anderson
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Chris Brand
1997-01-06  0:00         ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-09  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Bertrand Meyer
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1997-01-06  0:00 ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-06  0:00   ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-06  0:00     ` Tucker Taft
1997-01-07  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Jay Martin
1997-01-08  0:00     ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-08  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-09  0:00         ` Ted Dennison
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-12  0:00   ` Richard Riehle
1997-01-07  0:00 ` Stanley Allen
1997-01-07  0:00   ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-07  0:00     ` Bertrand Meyer
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-08  0:00       ` Matthew Heaney
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00         ` Richard Kenner
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Fergus Henderson
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Andrew Koenig
1997-01-25  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00       ` Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen FOU.TD/DELAB
1997-01-08  0:00 ` David Emery
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Marky Mark
1997-01-14  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-08  0:00   ` Mark A Biggar
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Roy Phillips
1997-01-27  0:00         ` Nick Leaton
1997-01-28  0:00           ` matthew mclellan
1997-01-09  0:00   ` Don Harrison
1997-01-09  0:00     ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-10  0:00       ` Bart Samwel
1997-01-10  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-13  0:00           ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00             ` Keith Thompson
1997-01-16  0:00               ` Ken Garlington
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Michael F Brenner
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert Dewar
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-10  0:00     ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-13  0:00       ` Don Harrison
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Don Harrison
1997-01-14  0:00           ` Jeff Carter
1997-01-15  0:00             ` Don Harrison
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-17  0:00               ` Norman H. Cohen
1997-01-18  0:00           ` Patrick Doyle
1997-01-20  0:00           ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-13  0:00         ` Robert I. Eachus
1997-01-15  0:00           ` Don Harrison
1997-01-08  0:00 ` Kohler Markus
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Jon S Anthony
1997-01-10  0:00 ` Matt Austern
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