From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,df854b5838c3e14 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,df854b5838c3e14 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 10db24,fec75f150a0d78f5 X-Google-Attributes: gid10db24,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,df854b5838c3e14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: dewar@cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Subject: Re: ANSI C and POSIX (was Re: C/C++ knocks the crap out of Ada) Date: 1996/04/08 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 146467207 references: <4k9qhe$65r@solutions.solon.com> <828964950snz@genesis.demon.co.uk> <4kbfup$2vd@news1.mnsinc.com> <4kbl5i$p3@mordred.gatech.edu> <4kbs17$6ts@news1.mnsinc.com> organization: Courant Institute of Mathematical Sciences newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.edu Date: 1996-04-08T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: Szu-Wen said It's a joke, lighten up ;). (referring to his comment about portability of behavior) Actually the joke is on you, because the comment you made is not a joke at all but instead a very important point, around which a lot of language design decisions focus. An obvous goal of any language design is to minimize or eliminate undefined and non-deterministic behavior. These goals are often not net because of two important considerations: 1. Over specifying can lead to inefficient code (e.g. requiring left to right evaluation) 2. Some features (low level bit twiddling, tasking, etc.) may make it desirable semantically to introduce undefined or ND behavior. Debating the compromises here is a major activity of language design.